I was travelling from Paddington to Clapham Junction the other day via
the
bakerloo line and Waterloo - and thought I'd buy a ticket for the
Waterloo - Clapham Junction at Paddington to save queuing at Waterloo.

I have an oystercard with pre-pay, so tried the fast-ticket machine
and it offered me a ticket from "London Paddington" to Clapham
Junction for £2.10.

Intrigued, I bought it - applying a Gold Card discount to get it for
£1.40. It stated "London Terminals" to "Clapham Junction", without
the maltese cross...

I tried it in the barriers at the Paddington tube, half expecting it
to be refused, but it
worked. And got me out again at Waterloo.

I've done this a few times now, although it won't work in reverse...

Have I been missing something here, or is this an anomoly?

stan5001 wrote:
I was travelling from Paddington to Clapham Junction the other day via
the
bakerloo line and Waterloo - and thought I'd buy a ticket for the
Waterloo - Clapham Junction at Paddington to save queuing at Waterloo.

I have an oystercard with pre-pay, so tried the fast-ticket machine
and it offered me a ticket from "London Paddington" to Clapham
Junction for £2.10.

Intrigued, I bought it - applying a Gold Card discount to get it for
£1.40. It stated "London Terminals" to "Clapham Junction", without
the maltese cross...

I tried it in the barriers at the Paddington tube, half expecting it
to be refused, but it
worked. And got me out again at Waterloo.

I've done this a few times now, although it won't work in reverse...

I don't think you should be let into the Tube without the Maltese Cross.
Or by only paying GBP 2.10. NRE lists the cheapest fare for this route
as GBP 5.10, although I think a train-tube fare for zones 12 should only
be GBP 4.10.

I don't know whether the fare is valid via rail only, or what route you
would have to take.

Have I been missing something here, or is this an anomoly?

You've been missing a chance encounter with a ticket inspector.
--
Michael Hoffman

On Jun 1, 9:05 am, stan5001 wrote:
I was travelling from Paddington to Clapham Junction the other day via
the
bakerloo line and Waterloo - and thought I'd buy a ticket for the
Waterloo - Clapham Junction at Paddington to save queuing at Waterloo.

I have an oystercard with pre-pay, so tried the fast-ticket machine
and it offered me a ticket from "London Paddington" to Clapham
Junction for £2.10.

Intrigued, I bought it - applying a Gold Card discount to get it for
£1.40. It stated "London Terminals" to "Clapham Junction", without
the maltese cross...

I tried it in the barriers at the Paddington tube, half expecting it
to be refused, but it
worked. And got me out again at Waterloo.

I've done this a few times now, although it won't work in reverse...

Have I been missing something here, or is this an anomoly?

Did it allow you out at the barrier at Clapham Junction having already
let you out at Waterloo?

On Jun 1, 9:05 am, stan5001 wrote:
I was travelling from Paddington to Clapham Junction the other day via
the
bakerloo line and Waterloo - and thought I'd buy a ticket for the
Waterloo - Clapham Junction at Paddington to save queuing at Waterloo.

I have an oystercard with pre-pay, so tried the fast-ticket machine
and it offered me a ticket from "London Paddington" to Clapham
Junction for £2.10.

Intrigued, I bought it - applying a Gold Card discount to get it for
£1.40. It stated "London Terminals" to "Clapham Junction", without
the maltese cross...

I tried it in the barriers at the Paddington tube, half expecting it
to be refused, but it
worked. And got me out again at Waterloo.

I've done this a few times now, although it won't work in reverse...

Have I been missing something here, or is this an anomoly?

The fare from London Waterloo is 2.10 (1.40 with a Gold card)
But the fact that the ticket said London Terminals allows you to use
the tube from any london terminal.
usually it has to have a LT Roundel on it to signify you can do this.

I do remember that you used to be able to buy tickets on TheTrainLine
in the past from London Terminals or London Z12, London Z1234 and save
a couple of quid. This seems to be have removed from their site now.

I think it's a little loophole. But i also think the ticket is valid.
If a revenue protection officer challenged it then i'd be suprised.
And even then your intention was not to evade as you have a bought a
ticket.

Next time i do a journey like that and there's a fast pay terminal. I
will try it.

The barriers at Clapham Junction swallowed the ticket. It didn't have
an underground roundal; it was, visually at least, exactly the same as
any London Terminals to Clapham Junction ticket I've had.

The machine screen displayed "Standard day single - Paddington to
Clapham Junction", so if challenged that, coupled with the fact it let
me through the barriers and that the definition "london terminals" is
a bit weak, would be my defence.

I know when buying a ticket in reverse that it doesn't let me through
the tube barriers...

On Jun 1, 2:24 pm, Londoncityslicker
wrote:
The fare from London Waterloo is 2.10 (1.40 with a Gold card)
But the fact that the ticket said London Terminals allows you to use
the tube from any london terminal.

The Fares Manual disagrees:

"Fares for travel to and from London Terminals are shown in
Section B and are valid at the following London Stations
subject to the route of the rail journey being undertaken, but
do NOT include travel between these stations on London
Underground, Docklands Light Railway or London Buses."

U

Londoncityslicker wrote:
On Jun 1, 9:05 am, stan5001 wrote:
I was travelling from Paddington to Clapham Junction the other day via
the
bakerloo line and Waterloo - and thought I'd buy a ticket for the
Waterloo - Clapham Junction at Paddington to save queuing at Waterloo.

I have an oystercard with pre-pay, so tried the fast-ticket machine
and it offered me a ticket from "London Paddington" to Clapham
Junction for £2.10.

Intrigued, I bought it - applying a Gold Card discount to get it for
£1.40. It stated "London Terminals" to "Clapham Junction", without
the maltese cross...

I tried it in the barriers at the Paddington tube, half expecting it
to be refused, but it
worked. And got me out again at Waterloo.

I've done this a few times now, although it won't work in reverse...

Have I been missing something here, or is this an anomoly?

The fare from London Waterloo is 2.10 (1.40 with a Gold card)
But the fact that the ticket said London Terminals allows you to use
the tube from any london terminal.
usually it has to have a LT Roundel on it to signify you can do this.

There is a tiny roundel symbol that might show up in the middle of the
ticket number to mean that the ticket is capable of being read by LUL
ticket machines.

But I think you still need a +/dagger/Maltese cross to travel via LUL.
--
Michael Hoffman

"Londoncityslicker" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jun 1, 9:05 am, stan5001 wrote:
I was travelling from Paddington to Clapham Junction the other day via
the
bakerloo line and Waterloo - and thought I'd buy a ticket for the
Waterloo - Clapham Junction at Paddington to save queuing at Waterloo.

I have an oystercard with pre-pay, so tried the fast-ticket machine
and it offered me a ticket from "London Paddington" to Clapham
Junction for £2.10.

Intrigued, I bought it - applying a Gold Card discount to get it for
£1.40. It stated "London Terminals" to "Clapham Junction", without
the maltese cross...

I tried it in the barriers at the Paddington tube, half expecting it
to be refused, but it
worked. And got me out again at Waterloo.

I've done this a few times now, although it won't work in reverse...

Have I been missing something here, or is this an anomoly?

But the fact that the ticket said London Terminals allows you to use
the tube from any london terminal.
usually it has to have a LT Roundel on it to signify you can do this.


Not correct - a NR ticket from London Terminals to a NR station doesn't
allow travel on tube, bus or DLR, and it isn't valid from _any_ London
Terminal, just those appropriate to the journey, mapped in the NR routeing
guide. I'd wait for the expert view in due course but I suspect the OP's
ticket really only allowed him to walk to, and pick the train up, at either
Victoria or Waterloo, possibly Vauxhall for some strange historic reason.

The LT roundel on a NR issued ticket means it is a Travelcard, the '+' sign,
will only appear on a NR ticket that includes LU transfer across London to
continue your NR journey.

Exactly why particular barriers unexpectedly let you through, and how you
are supposed to know that London Terminals doesn't mean all of them, I'll
leave for others, although no one seemed to answer 'stan5001' when he raised
this on uk.railway originally

Paul S

Well, I tried it at Euston tonight from a fast ticket machine -
exactly the same story. £1.40 (gold card discount) for a "London
Euston to Clapham Junction" ticket - worked in the barriers at Euston
and Victoria tubes; and in the Victoria and Clapham Junction National
Rail barriers.

Looks like an issue with the fast ticket machines...

"stan5001" wrote in message
ups.com...
Well, I tried it at Euston tonight from a fast ticket machine -
exactly the same story. £1.40 (gold card discount) for a "London
Euston to Clapham Junction" ticket - worked in the barriers at Euston
and Victoria tubes; and in the Victoria and Clapham Junction National
Rail barriers.

Looks like an issue with the fast ticket machines...


I wonder if it works the other way round, I'll have to see if I can get to
somewhere non obvious next time I head into London, eg see if I can get to
Kings Cross on a Winchester to London Terminals ticket...

Paul