On 21 Jun, 09:09, Kev wrote:
On Jun 21, 8:17 am, Sam wrote:
On 20 Jun, 11:04, Kev wrote:
I need to visit the New Southgate/Bowes Park area and then go the the
Kings Cross area.

I had to do a very similar journey to this last year. On the advice of
people in this group, I parked on street (for free) very close to New
Southgate mainline rail station (not the Tube station). You can then
get the train from there direct to King's Cross or Moorgate (or change
onto the Picc at Finsbury Park if you prefer).

Good point but I guess the Victoria for Kings Cross at Finsbury Park
would be a better bet. I don't suppose oystercards are valid at New
Southgate though.

Yes - Victoria would definitely be quicker, although it may also be
busier. PAYG Oyster isn't valid at New Southgate yet - see the map
here : http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...YG-Diagram.pdf

If you're travelling Off-Peak and you have a Network Railcard, it's
often cheaper to buy a One-Day Travelcard than use PAYG Oyster, even
with the daily capping.

Sam

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:11:37 -0700, Sam wrote:

If you're travelling Off-Peak and you have a Network Railcard, it's
often cheaper to buy a One-Day Travelcard than use PAYG Oyster, even
with the daily capping.

Only at weekends - the £10 weekday minimum fare prevents you from
buying a Z1-6 ODTC during the week.

On 21 Jun, 13:11, Sam wrote:
Yes - Victoria would definitely be quicker, although it may also be
busier. PAYG Oyster isn't valid at New Southgate yet - see the map
here :http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...YG-Diagram.pdf

There seem to be a number of routes where you can legally ride with
PAYG but stations on those routes where it seems you can't legally get
on or off! Where the hell is the logic in that?

B2003

On Jun 21, 4:17 pm, Boltar wrote:
There seem to be a number of routes where you can legally ride with
PAYG but stations on those routes where it seems you can't legally get
on or off! Where the hell is the logic in that?

Gating, probably. On 'one', for example, you could travel between
Seven Sisters &
Liverpool Street - both of which are gated, but not get out at the
intermediate stops - which
are not gated. PAYG can't work without oyster readers. Existing
gates had to be upgraded
to Oyster to allow Oyster travelcards to continue to work - as were
gatelines which were shared LUL
/national rail, but installing entirely new equipment is another
matter...

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Abi

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:29:03 -0000, Abigail Brady wrote:

There seem to be a number of routes where you can legally ride with
PAYG but stations on those routes where it seems you can't legally get
on or off! Where the hell is the logic in that?

Gating, probably. On 'one', for example, you could travel between
Seven Sisters &
Liverpool Street - both of which are gated, but not get out at the
intermediate stops - which
are not gated. PAYG can't work without oyster readers. Existing
gates had to be upgraded
to Oyster to allow Oyster travelcards to continue to work - as were
gatelines which were shared LUL
/national rail, but installing entirely new equipment is another
matter...

It's nothing to do with that. It's because the TOCs don't want to
allow PAYG, except where forced to by ticket interavailability
agreements. Equipment could easily be installed if 'one' allowed it
(see City Thameslink, Drayton Park, Essex Road). IIRC Ken offered to
pay for Oyster equipment at every station in Z1-6, but the TOCs still
refused.

So, for example, you can't use PAYG on NR for a journey from Greenford
to Ealing Broadway, even though both stations have gates and Oyster
readers (which are even PAYG-enabled).

On Jun 21, 5:59 pm, asdf wrote:
It's nothing to do with that. It's because the TOCs don't want to
allow PAYG, except where forced to by ticket interavailability
agreements. Equipment could easily be installed if 'one' allowed it
(see City Thameslink, Drayton Park, Essex Road). IIRC Ken offered to
pay for Oyster equipment at every station in Z1-6, but the TOCs still
refused.

Seems pretty daft. Its not as if they're going to lose money from it,
probably the opposite. Bloody minded sods. Bring back BR.

B2003

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:14:43 -0700, Boltar
wrote:

On Jun 21, 5:59 pm, asdf wrote:
It's nothing to do with that. It's because the TOCs don't want to
allow PAYG, except where forced to by ticket interavailability
agreements. Equipment could easily be installed if 'one' allowed it
(see City Thameslink, Drayton Park, Essex Road). IIRC Ken offered to
pay for Oyster equipment at every station in Z1-6, but the TOCs still
refused.

Seems pretty daft. Its not as if they're going to lose money from it,
probably the opposite. Bloody minded sods. Bring back BR.

Actually the TOCs crumpled into line at the last minute although I
suspect there are rumblings still going in the background about the
detail of how it work and who pays what.

I am not at all convinced that BR would have been any more accommodating
about increasing the extent of interavailability and the associated
acceptance of PAYG. BR had even worse financial pressures than most
TOCs and were not at all happy with nasty inventions like Travelcards
and Capitalcards. The thought of smartcards and ticket gates and fancy
electronic fares was always for "someone else" and not them. At least a
proportion of the TOCs (Southern, SWT, FCC, C2C, One) can readily see
the advantages the technology will bring.
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Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Boltar wrote:

On 21 Jun, 13:11, Sam wrote:

Yes - Victoria would definitely be quicker, although it may also be
busier. PAYG Oyster isn't valid at New Southgate yet - see the map
here :http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...YG-Diagram.pdf

There seem to be a number of routes where you can legally ride with PAYG
but stations on those routes where it seems you can't legally get on or
off! Where the hell is the logic in that?

I think it's the same as where there are interavailable LU/NR tickets. The
West Anglia line is the classic case, where you can go from Walthamstow
(which is on the Victoria line) to Liverpool Street (on various lines),
but can't get off in between.

Back in the days of LT cards, it was also the case that you could use one
from Walthamstow to Liverpool Street, but not from intermediate stations.
I lived in Clapton, got a student discounted LT card, and was quite grumpy
about this. Well, actually, i just got on the train and hoped i wouldn't
get my ticket checked. I only got caught once before they switched student
tickets to real travelcards.

tom

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