Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
news Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
allan tracy wrote:
... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way beyond
anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it.
Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are
actually
spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have a
system
second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on bottomless
pits
like the national trainset.

Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand here like
including all road generated taxes when we're only discussing HGV
generated taxes.

I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or road
fund licence is to be set at a level that can then provide spending
on
accommodating HGVs.

at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's the other
way around.
Evidence?

Please don't simply state the anount of VED a lorry pays, it was
reduced a few years ago you may recall.
Back of a fag packet calculations show annual tax take from HGV's about
10 billion pounds (VED + Fuel tax) expenditure on UK road system is ???
When your working it out (not forgetting the cash spent by local
authorities on loal roads some of which comes from Counil Tax), don't
forget all the associated costs will you?
What makes you think I'm going to work it out.

You've already started, or like so many in road haulage, you give up when
things get difficult?


evidence?

In article ,
(Brimstone) wrote:

Two lorries will be parked in Trafalgar Square, central London, to
allow other road users to see first hand how limited a lorry
driver's vision is.

If their vision is that limited, why are they allowed on the roads?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:03:25 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:


"NM" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Railborne freight receives no subsidy, unlike lorries.
Where exactly do I apply for my lorry subsidy?

Go sniff the hard shoulder because that's about as much as your
taxes run to.


Utter crap.

Good to see that 1950s mentality is still in full slow.

Pity we are not still IN the 1950s and 1960,s with bus drivers
driving the bus and not having to **** about collecting money,dealing
with yobs,and all the other hassels connected with the job these
days .

There's a lot to be said for that.

NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
news Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
allan tracy wrote:
... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way
beyond anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it.
Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are
actually
spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have
a system
second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on
bottomless pits
like the national trainset.

Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand
here like including all road generated taxes when we're only
discussing HGV generated taxes.

I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or
road fund licence is to be set at a level that can then
provide spending on
accommodating HGVs.

at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's
the other way around.
Evidence?

Please don't simply state the anount of VED a lorry pays, it was
reduced a few years ago you may recall.
Back of a fag packet calculations show annual tax take from HGV's
about 10 billion pounds (VED + Fuel tax) expenditure on UK road
system is ???
When your working it out (not forgetting the cash spent by local
authorities on loal roads some of which comes from Counil Tax),
don't forget all the associated costs will you?
What makes you think I'm going to work it out.

You've already started, or like so many in road haulage, you give up
when things get difficult?


evidence?

Any number of winter time news reports showing vehicles dumped just because
there's a bit of snow on the ground.

Robin wrote:
"Conor" wrote in message
...
In article , NM says...
Brimstone wrote:

The year before 21 cyclists were killed, nine involved lorries and in
2004
four of eight accidents in which cyclists were killed involved lorries.



To get a balance here we need to know how many lorry drivers were killed
by cyclists in the same period. :-)

No idea but I suspect a few had a cardio episode from cycling.

or maybe more had cardio episodes from not cycling ..


LOL. That really takes the biscuit.
--
Moving things in still pictures!

Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
news Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
allan tracy wrote:
... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way
beyond anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it.
Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are
actually
spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have
a system
second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on
bottomless pits
like the national trainset.

Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand
here like including all road generated taxes when we're only
discussing HGV generated taxes.

I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or
road fund licence is to be set at a level that can then
provide spending on
accommodating HGVs.

at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's
the other way around.
Evidence?

Please don't simply state the anount of VED a lorry pays, it was
reduced a few years ago you may recall.
Back of a fag packet calculations show annual tax take from HGV's
about 10 billion pounds (VED + Fuel tax) expenditure on UK road
system is ???
When your working it out (not forgetting the cash spent by local
authorities on loal roads some of which comes from Counil Tax),
don't forget all the associated costs will you?
What makes you think I'm going to work it out.
You've already started, or like so many in road haulage, you give up
when things get difficult?


evidence?

Any number of winter time news reports showing vehicles dumped just because
there's a bit of snow on the ground.


And that has what to do with the annual cost of the uk road network? or
what to do with giving up when it gets difficult?

Remind me whilst you are at it about the wrong kinds of snow? or leaves?
and the devestating effect on the nations trainset caused by these
totally unpredictable natural events.

And of course I am still waiting to be shown where I can apply for the
truck subsidy.

NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
news Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
allan tracy wrote:
... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way
beyond anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with
it.
Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes
are actually
spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would
have a system
second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on
bottomless pits
like the national trainset.

Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand
here like including all road generated taxes when we're only
discussing HGV generated taxes.

I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty
or road fund licence is to be set at a level that can then
provide spending on
accommodating HGVs.

at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's
the other way around.
Evidence?

Please don't simply state the anount of VED a lorry pays, it
was reduced a few years ago you may recall.
Back of a fag packet calculations show annual tax take from
HGV's about 10 billion pounds (VED + Fuel tax) expenditure on
UK road system is ???
When your working it out (not forgetting the cash spent by local
authorities on loal roads some of which comes from Counil Tax),
don't forget all the associated costs will you?
What makes you think I'm going to work it out.
You've already started, or like so many in road haulage, you give
up when things get difficult?


evidence?

Any number of winter time news reports showing vehicles dumped just
because there's a bit of snow on the ground.


And that has what to do with the annual cost of the uk road network? or
what to do with giving up when it gets
difficult?

You asked for evidence of the road haulage industry giving up when things
get difficult.

Remind me whilst you are at it about the wrong kinds of snow?

Since any and all snow brings the roads to a halt I wouldn't shout too
loudly if I were you.

or
leaves? and the devestating effect on the nations trainset caused by
these totally unpredictable natural events.

Even more so on the roads.


And of course I am still waiting to be shown where I can apply for the
truck subsidy.

You've been shown, you're already getting it. Unlike other industries, road
haulage is so cossetted it doesn't even have to apply for subsidy, it gets
it without having to ask.

Brimstone wrote:


You've been shown, you're already getting it. Unlike other industries, road
haulage is so cossetted it doesn't even have to apply for subsidy, it gets
it without having to ask.



So in fact there is no evidence, merely your groundless opinion that
trucks don't pay their way.

NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:


You've been shown, you're already getting it. Unlike other
industries, road haulage is so cossetted it doesn't even have to
apply for subsidy, it gets it without having to ask.



So in fact there is no evidence, merely your groundless opinion that
trucks don't pay their way.

Taxation on lorries in particular and road vehicles in general has been
significantly reduced in recent years. That's subsidy by any measure.

Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

You've been shown, you're already getting it. Unlike other
industries, road haulage is so cossetted it doesn't even have to
apply for subsidy, it gets it without having to ask.


So in fact there is no evidence, merely your groundless opinion that
trucks don't pay their way.

Taxation on lorries in particular and road vehicles in general has been
significantly reduced in recent years. That's subsidy by any measure.


Or an indication that they were set too high, a sizeable proportion of
the UK fleet flagged out and Gorgon relented in the face of unpresented
opposition. That's the reality, subsidy is not even part of the
equation, the increases were just a stealth tax too far and HMG didn't
want another fuel tax type blocade.