In article , Brimstone says...

Any number of winter time news reports showing vehicles dumped just because
there's a bit of snow on the ground.

It ain't the lorries that get dumped....

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Conor

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

In article , Brimstone says...
Unlike other industries, road
haulage is so cossetted it doesn't even have to apply for subsidy, it gets
it without having to ask.

Of course it's so cossetted. That's why the RHA are begging the Govt to
bring in Vignettes for foreign lorries before the UK haulage industry
goes under.


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Conor

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

In article . com,
allan tracy says...

During the fuel blockade the DfT did point out that HGV taxes in total
only cover half their direct infrastructure costs.

However fuel and VED taxation is just one revenue lorries provide to
the treasury. There are £billions of taxes raised from business which
wouldn't exist without road haulage.


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Conor

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

Conor ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Only because ... car driving morons working in poxy back streets
order stuff to be delivered on a vehicle that won't fit.

Odd, I can safely say that I've *never* been asked what size of vehicle I
want my order delivered on.

"Brimstone" wrote:

NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:


You've been shown, you're already getting it. Unlike other
industries, road haulage is so cossetted it doesn't even have to
apply for subsidy, it gets it without having to ask.



So in fact there is no evidence, merely your groundless opinion that
trucks don't pay their way.

Taxation on lorries in particular and road vehicles in general has been
significantly reduced in recent years. That's subsidy by any measure.

No. You've fallen into the "politician speak" trap where a "reduced
increase" == "a cut". Even *if* road vehicle taxation has reduced,
which is hasn't as far as I'm aware, it is still massively in excess
of the total road expenditure.

"Jeff York" wrote in message
news
"Brimstone" wrote:

NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:


You've been shown, you're already getting it. Unlike other
industries, road haulage is so cossetted it doesn't even have to
apply for subsidy, it gets it without having to ask.



So in fact there is no evidence, merely your groundless opinion that
trucks don't pay their way.

Taxation on lorries in particular and road vehicles in general has been
significantly reduced in recent years. That's subsidy by any measure.

No. You've fallen into the "politician speak" trap where a "reduced
increase" == "a cut". Even *if* road vehicle taxation has reduced,
which is hasn't as far as I'm aware, it is still massively in excess
of the total road expenditure.

And you're confusing the total amount taken in tax revenue with the amount
of costs imposed on the system by any one vehicle and the amount spent on
highway maintenance and build.

The total tax revenue fluctuates according to the number of licenced
vehicles in use. That number can go down as well as up. We've been told a
number of time by Conor and possibly others that there are now very many
fewer lorries on the road than in the past.

NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
Brimstone wrote:

Railborne freight receives no subsidy, unlike lorries.

Where exactly do I apply for my lorry subsidy?
It's provided automatically, without application.
In your mind perhaps, dream on, don't let reality get in the way.

You've obviously forgotton about the rate of VED on lorries when the
present government came into power and what it is now?

No I havn't, I just realise thet the total amount collected by ved and
fuel tax is more than three times the amount spent on the roads. If my
truck is being subsidised where are the funds coming from, because it
isn't central government?

How much VED and fuel duty is paid by HGVs as opposed to other classes
of vehicle? How much expenditure is down to the wear and tear caused by
HGVs as opposed to other classes of vehicle? I say the sooner we
privatise the whole lot of the trunk road network the better. We are
not a communist state, there should not be thousands of miles of highly
expensive trunk road built and maintained out of central government
funds (taxes are not hypothecated in the UK) with zero accountability.
Then the private owner can charge different classes of vehicle a toll as
appropriate to the cost to them to provide the service to that class of
vehicle.

Robin

Conor wrote:
In article , Brimstone says...

Any number of winter time news reports showing vehicles dumped just because
there's a bit of snow on the ground.

It ain't the lorries that get dumped....

Nah, they just jackknife because the morons behind the wheel can't drive
safely, and cause the entire road behind them to become blocked.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/england/2712045.stm

"On the northbound carriageway there were 12 jack-knifed lorries"

Robin

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, David Cantrell wrote:

On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 12:39:00AM +0100, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Brimstone) wrote:

Two lorries will be parked in Trafalgar Square, central London, to
allow other road users to see first hand how limited a lorry driver's
vision is.

If their vision is that limited, why are they allowed on the roads?

Because you and all the whinging cyclists have yet to come up with
anything better.

8 Freight.

And zeppelins, damn it!

tom

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Science is bound, by the everlasting vow of honour, to face fearlessly
every problem which can be fairly presented to it. -- Lord Kelvin

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Conor wrote:

In article .com,
says...

Although railfreight has been growing for the last ten years mainly
due to the failure of the road system to deliver reliability. ASDA,
Morrisons, Tesco and Sainsburys have been turning to rail increasingly
for the long stuff.

Wrong.

EDDIE STOBART who runs the warehousing at either end on behalf of the
above has turned to railfreight because Stobarts have their own
railheads and goods trains. Sending loads to Scotch by rail allows
Stobarts to free up lorries to go do other work such as the new Tesco
white goods RDC they're opening up at Goole.

Believe me, lorry journeys haven't been reduced by Stobarts putting
stuff onto rail.

Er, what? If they hadn't put that stuff on rail, they would have had to
buy more lorries for this RDC thing etc. It's not a reduction, but it is a
smaller increase!

tom

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Science is bound, by the everlasting vow of honour, to face fearlessly
every problem which can be fairly presented to it. -- Lord Kelvin