NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:

Railborne freight receives no subsidy, unlike lorries.

Where exactly do I apply for my lorry subsidy?
It's provided automatically, without application.
In your mind perhaps, dream on, don't let reality get in the way.

You've obviously forgotton about the rate of VED on lorries when the
present government came into power and what it is now?

No I havn't, I just realise thet the total amount collected by ved and
fuel tax is more than three times the amount spent on the roads. If my
truck is being subsidised where are the funds coming from, because it
isn't central government?

How much VED and fuel duty is paid by HGVs as opposed to other classes
of vehicle? How much expenditure is down to the wear and tear caused by
HGVs as opposed to other classes of vehicle? I say the sooner we
privatise the whole lot of the trunk road network the better. We are
not a communist state, there should not be thousands of miles of highly
expensive trunk road built and maintained out of central government
funds (taxes are not hypothecated in the UK) with zero accountability.
Then the private owner can charge different classes of vehicle a toll as
appropriate to the cost to them to provide the service to that class of
vehicle.

Robin

"R.C. Payne" wrote in message
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NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:

Railborne freight receives no subsidy, unlike lorries.

Where exactly do I apply for my lorry subsidy?
It's provided automatically, without application.
In your mind perhaps, dream on, don't let reality get in the way.

You've obviously forgotton about the rate of VED on lorries when the
present government came into power and what it is now?

No I havn't, I just realise thet the total amount collected by ved
and fuel tax is more than three times the amount spent on the roads.
If my truck is being subsidised where are the funds coming from,
because it isn't central government?

How much VED and fuel duty is paid by HGVs as opposed to other classes
of vehicle? How much expenditure is down to the wear and tear caused
by HGVs as opposed to other classes of vehicle? I say the sooner we
privatise the whole lot of the trunk road network the better. We are
not a communist state, there should not be thousands of miles of
highly expensive trunk road built and maintained out of central
government funds (taxes are not hypothecated in the UK) with zero
accountability. Then the private owner can charge different classes of
vehicle a toll as appropriate to the cost to them to provide the
service to that class of vehicle.

No problem Robin. I take it you'll be happy with a hike in the price of
everything you buy?


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Conor

Conor wrote:


"R.C. Payne" wrote in message
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NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:

Railborne freight receives no subsidy, unlike lorries.

Where exactly do I apply for my lorry subsidy?
It's provided automatically, without application.
In your mind perhaps, dream on, don't let reality get in the way.

You've obviously forgotton about the rate of VED on lorries when the
present government came into power and what it is now?

No I havn't, I just realise thet the total amount collected by ved
and fuel tax is more than three times the amount spent on the roads.
If my truck is being subsidised where are the funds coming from,
because it isn't central government?

How much VED and fuel duty is paid by HGVs as opposed to other classes
of vehicle? How much expenditure is down to the wear and tear caused
by HGVs as opposed to other classes of vehicle? I say the sooner we
privatise the whole lot of the trunk road network the better. We are
not a communist state, there should not be thousands of miles of
highly expensive trunk road built and maintained out of central
government funds (taxes are not hypothecated in the UK) with zero
accountability. Then the private owner can charge different classes of
vehicle a toll as appropriate to the cost to them to provide the
service to that class of vehicle.

No problem Robin. I take it you'll be happy with a hike in the price of
everything you buy?



I'm happy for Road Haulage to pay its share. Then perhaps they'll be
less likely to make so many unnecessary journeys.

"Silk" wrote in message
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Conor wrote:

No problem Robin. I take it you'll be happy with a hike in the price
of everything you buy?



I'm happy for Road Haulage to pay its share. Then perhaps they'll be
less likely to make so many unnecessary journeys.

That's not what I asked. And at £40 an hour in fuel costs alone, you can
bet they don't do unnecessary journeys.

--
Conor

Conor wrote:


"Silk" wrote in message
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Conor wrote:

No problem Robin. I take it you'll be happy with a hike in the price
of everything you buy?



I'm happy for Road Haulage to pay its share. Then perhaps they'll be
less likely to make so many unnecessary journeys.

That's not what I asked. And at £40 an hour in fuel costs alone, you can
bet they don't do unnecessary journeys.


Necessary and cost-effective are not the same thing. It may make
economic sense to haul something from one end of the country to the
other at £40 an hour, but put it up to £100 per hour and perhaps someone
may decide it's more cost effective to produce locally.

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, R.C. Payne wrote:

NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:

Railborne freight receives no subsidy, unlike lorries.

Where exactly do I apply for my lorry subsidy?

It's provided automatically, without application.
In your mind perhaps, dream on, don't let reality get in the way.

You've obviously forgotton about the rate of VED on lorries when the
present government came into power and what it is now?

No I havn't, I just realise thet the total amount collected by ved and fuel
tax is more than three times the amount spent on the roads.

I say the sooner we privatise the whole lot of the trunk road network
the better. We are not a communist state, there should not be thousands
of miles of highly expensive trunk road built and maintained out of
central government funds (taxes are not hypothecated in the UK)

Ironically, the US interstate highway network was built specifically to
prevent that country becoming a communist state, but i digress.

with zero accountability. Then the private owner can charge different
classes of vehicle a toll as appropriate to the cost to them to provide
the service to that class of vehicle.

Or alternatively, he can charge however much he can get away with. The
only way to get efficient pricing would be through competition, and if you
think having multiple competing motorways running along every corridor is
a good idea, i suggest you go to a doctor to get your head examined. You
might like to stop off at a library and look up 'natural monopoly' in an
economics textbook while you're out.

tom

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