On Jul 6, 6:39 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Terminating at WJ LL also allows those who got on the wrong train at
stations east of Camden Rd to recover the situation!

Is terminating at Queens Park to allow a full Bakerloo service beyond, as currently a proportion of Bakerloo trains terminate there?

Can't remember where I read it but AIUI yes - there will be a full
peak hour Bakerloo Service north of Oueens Park. Queens Park will
provide
flexibility to stable offpeak and enable short turn back runs to meet
inner London traffic requirements - ala Willesden Green/ Whitecity/
Liverpool Street etc. Again new stock on the Bakerloo will be
necessary to effect the change.

Can't remember where I read it but AIUI yes - there will be a full
peak hour Bakerloo Service north of Oueens Park. Queens Park will
provide
flexibility to stable offpeak and enable short turn back runs to meet
inner London traffic requirements - ala Willesden Green/ Whitecity/
Liverpool Street etc. Again new stock on the Bakerloo will be
necessary to effect the change.

Which is what the old Victoria Line stock will be used for. It all
makes sense, really. It's just going to take a bit of time.

On Jul 12, 12:11 pm, sweek wrote:

Which is what the old Victoria Line stock will be used for.


Where have you got that gen from ?



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On 12 Jul, 21:44, D7666 wrote:
On Jul 12, 12:11 pm, sweek wrote:
Which is what the old Victoria Line stock will be used for.

Where have you got that gen from ?

I'd imagine Always Touch Out, same as the rest of us. I'm not aware of
it appearing in any official documents though.

If the Bakerloo Line is extended to Watford Junction (which is
official policy), it will need extra stock, and the Victoria Line
stock is the logical choice (same design, available the right time).
So there's a fair chance of happenning.

U

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On 12 Jul, 21:44, D7666 wrote:
On Jul 12, 12:11 pm, sweek wrote:

Which is what the old Victoria Line stock will be used for.

Where have you got that gen from ?

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Nick

Can't find that exact information right now, but page 85 here mentions
the Bakerloo re-extension and the "reconfiguration and refushbishment
of existing stock". I've read and heard it in other places, too,
though, but can't seem to find the information right now. It does make
perfect sense to me.

Ah, from http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/43

Initially, TfL may substitute the current trains running the Euston -
Watford service (aged Class 313 and Class 508 trains) with some
(modified) stock cascaded from the Victoria line after that line
receives its new trains. The Victoria line stock is similar to the
Bakerloo line fleet, and the two could be merged fairly easily later
on (see below).

Services would continue to operate as now (6tph Bakerloo and 3tph
Watford DC) but Watford DC trains would be longer (six or seven cars).

Bakerloo Line (re-)extension
TfL eventually plan to re-extend the Bakerloo line from Harrow &
Wealdstone to Watford Junction, replacing the Watford DC services
between Watford Junction and Euston. Bakerloo line services would run
every 10 minutes to Watford, an improvement on the current 20-minute
frequency to Euston. [TfL: T2025 report]

Kilburn High Road and South Hampstead would cease to be served by
direct trains to central London, but would gain services to Camden and
Stratford as part of the proposed Queen\'s Park to Stratford service,
which would run every 15 minutes.

The cost savings from cutting the Silverlink service to Euston would
be used to fund capacity improvements for the North London Line.

"sweek" wrote in message
ups.com...
Ah, from http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/43

Initially, TfL may substitute the current trains running the Euston -
Watford service (aged Class 313 and Class 508 trains) with some
(modified) stock cascaded from the Victoria line after that line
receives its new trains. The Victoria line stock is similar to the
Bakerloo line fleet, and the two could be merged fairly easily later
on (see below).

Yes, but haven't TfL ordered part of the Electrostar fleet for use on the DC
lines out of Euston? There are 24 sets on order for the North London routes,
to replace, IIRC, 26 Class 313/508 sets. With the benefits of higher
availability of new EMUs that looks like a straight replacement - or is
there to be an increase in frequency on the North London part of the
Overground?

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:33:04 +0100, John Tattersall wrote:

Initially, TfL may substitute the current trains running the Euston -
Watford service (aged Class 313 and Class 508 trains) with some
(modified) stock cascaded from the Victoria line after that line
receives its new trains. The Victoria line stock is similar to the
Bakerloo line fleet, and the two could be merged fairly easily later
on (see below).

Yes, but haven't TfL ordered part of the Electrostar fleet for use on the DC
lines out of Euston?

I think so, but I don't think they've explicitly said so.

There are 24 sets on order for the North London routes,
to replace, IIRC, 26 Class 313/508 sets. With the benefits of higher
availability of new EMUs that looks like a straight replacement - or is
there to be an increase in frequency on the North London part of the
Overground?

You're right about 26 units being replaced by 24. However it's
difficult to make a direct comparison as AFAIK the plans are still
being finalised (the order for the 4th cars only recently went in) and
TfL and Network Rail have slightly different sets of aspirations, and
the number of units required could vary depending on things like the
increase in frequency on the WLL, the introduction and frequency of
the Queens Park - Stratford service, the possible switch to diesel
stock for the WLL (with through running to Barking), whether London
Overground stock is used for the Abbey Flyer, etc.

"sweek" wrote

Initially, TfL may substitute the current trains running the Euston -
Watford service (aged Class 313 and Class 508 trains) with some
(modified) stock cascaded from the Victoria line after that line
receives its new trains.

i.e. substituting aged (30-year-old) Class 313 and 508 trains with modern
(40-year old) Victoria line stock.

Peter

On Jul 12, 11:32 pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"sweek" wrote



Initially, TfL may substitute the current trains running the Euston -
Watford service (aged Class 313 and Class 508 trains) with some
(modified) stock cascaded from the Victoria line after that line
receives its new trains.

i.e. substituting aged (30-year-old) Class 313 and 508 trains with modern
(40-year old) Victoria line stock.



Just what I was thinking, but then I thought "Don't say anything ...
any plan to replace 313s and 508s must be encouraged".