So today the FCC Sutton train was cancelled at 1721. The 1736 via
Wimbledon duly arrived late with only 4 coaches. Madness ensued.

I got on. It was claustrophobic and dangerous. There were kids and at
least one if not two pregnant ladies suffering. People were fractious.
Shouting to move down when the carriages were plainly full.

At Loughborough Junction, a beggar got on the train. (no idea how -
there wasnt room to get on the train).

He announced. "Ladies and gentlemen I know its a troublesome journey
tonight but can I tell you why I need you to give me your money" (or
similar)

Someone shouted - "Youre having a f**king laugh mate"

Everybody laughed.

The point being.

The train from Farringdon was dangerously overcrowded. The people at
intervening stations were unable to board. The guard announced "move
into the cars to let people board" when the trains were absolutely full.

I felt that my safety was threatened.

I will write to FCC but Im not hopeful.

There need to me twice or three times as many Thameslink trains in
service in rush hour!

mf.

On Jul 4, 11:07 pm, Mystery Flyer wrote:
So today the FCC Sutton train was cancelled at 1721. The 1736 via
Wimbledon duly arrived late with only 4 coaches. Madness ensued.

I got on. It was claustrophobic and dangerous. There were kids and at
least one if not two pregnant ladies suffering. People were fractious.
Shouting to move down when the carriages were plainly full.

At Loughborough Junction, a beggar got on the train. (no idea how -
there wasnt room to get on the train).

He announced. "Ladies and gentlemen I know its a troublesome journey
tonight but can I tell you why I need you to give me your money" (or
similar)

Someone shouted - "Youre having a f**king laugh mate"

Everybody laughed.

The point being.

The train from Farringdon was dangerously overcrowded. The people at
intervening stations were unable to board. The guard announced "move
into the cars to let people board" when the trains were absolutely full.

I felt that my safety was threatened.

I will write to FCC but Im not hopeful.

There need to me twice or three times as many Thameslink trains in
service in rush hour!

mf.

You could have got off the train.

"Mystery Flyer" wrote in message
...
So today the FCC Sutton train was cancelled at 1721. The 1736 via
Wimbledon duly arrived late with only 4 coaches. Madness ensued.

I got on. It was claustrophobic and dangerous. There were kids and at
least one if not two pregnant ladies suffering. People were fractious.
Shouting to move down when the carriages were plainly full.

At Loughborough Junction, a beggar got on the train. (no idea how - there
wasnt room to get on the train).

He announced. "Ladies and gentlemen I know its a troublesome journey
tonight but can I tell you why I need you to give me your money" (or
similar)

Someone shouted - "Youre having a f**king laugh mate"

Everybody laughed.

The point being.

The train from Farringdon was dangerously overcrowded. The people at
intervening stations were unable to board. The guard announced "move into
the cars to let people board" when the trains were absolutely full.

There is no guard on these trains. The driver makes all of the
announcements. Suggest you write to FCC and enclose your ticket. They may
send you a few rail vouchers in compensation.

On Jul 5, 12:19 am, chunky munky
wrote:
On Jul 4, 11:07 pm, Mystery Flyer wrote:





So today the FCC Sutton train was cancelled at 1721. The 1736 via
Wimbledon duly arrived late with only 4 coaches. Madness ensued.

I got on. It was claustrophobic and dangerous. There were kids and at
least one if not two pregnant ladies suffering. People were fractious.
Shouting to move down when the carriages were plainly full.

At Loughborough Junction, a beggar got on the train. (no idea how -
there wasnt room to get on the train).

He announced. "Ladies and gentlemen I know its a troublesome journey
tonight but can I tell you why I need you to give me your money" (or
similar)

Someone shouted - "Youre having a f**king laugh mate"

Everybody laughed.

The point being.

The train from Farringdon was dangerously overcrowded. The people at
intervening stations were unable to board. The guard announced "move
into the cars to let people board" when the trains were absolutely full.

I felt that my safety was threatened.

I will write to FCC but Im not hopeful.

There need to me twice or three times as many Thameslink trains in
service in rush hour!

mf.

You could have got off the train.- Hide quoted text -

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So the answer to dangerously overcrowded trains is don't go home, very
helpful. Maybe people shouldn't go to work on the off chance that they
can't get home.
Kings X Northern Line on Tuesday people were queuing in the ecsalator
hall to get onto the platform to go northbound. Why not announce
before going down to the platform to use the Vic Line to Euston. Went
south to Angel just about got on a train north and still the platform
staff at Kings X were saying move along the carriage.

Kevin

On 4 Jul, 23:07, Mystery Flyer wrote:

The point being.

The train from Farringdon was dangerously overcrowded. The people at
intervening stations were unable to board. The guard announced "move
into the cars to let people board" when the trains were absolutely full.

I felt that my safety was threatened.

How? I know it's annoying and uncomfortable being in an overcrowded
train, but *dangerous*?

FWIW, reasearch into accidents on BR's SR found that dense crowding of
trains can improve safety in the event of a crash (you can't move
about much, and nor can the train's fittings...)

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On 5 Jul, 12:07, John B wrote:
On 4 Jul, 23:07, Mystery Flyer wrote:



The point being.

The train from Farringdon was dangerously overcrowded. The people at
intervening stations were unable to board. The guard announced "move
into the cars to let people board" when the trains were absolutely full.

I felt that my safety was threatened.

You should contact the Health & Safety Executive. The driver should
have asked passengers to get off.

How? I know it's annoying and uncomfortable being in an overcrowded
train, but *dangerous*?

Aircon and ventilation might be insufficient for one, leading to
dangerously high temperatures and levels of CO2, a potentially lethal
situation, especially for children, the elderly, pregnant women, etc,
even if their mates in the BBC explain it away as 'death by natural
causes'.

Also there is the inability to escape in case of fire.

The Health & Safety at Work Act requires employers to provide a safe
and healthy environment for all persons in the workplace.

FWIW, reasearch into accidents on BR's SR found that dense crowding of
trains can improve safety in the event of a crash (you can't move
about much, and nor can the train's fittings...

But then they would say that.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot orgwww.johnband.org

You should contact the Health & Safety Executive. The driver should
have asked passengers to get off.

The HSE is no longer resposible for safety on the railways.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/railways/index.htm

wrote:
On 5 Jul, 12:07, John B wrote:
On 4 Jul, 23:07, Mystery Flyer wrote:



The point being.

The train from Farringdon was dangerously overcrowded. The people at
intervening stations were unable to board. The guard announced "move
into the cars to let people board" when the trains were absolutely
full.

I felt that my safety was threatened.

You should contact the Health & Safety Executive. The driver should
have asked passengers to get off.

How? I know it's annoying and uncomfortable being in an overcrowded
train, but *dangerous*?

Aircon and ventilation might be insufficient for one, leading to
dangerously high temperatures and levels of CO2, a potentially lethal
situation, especially for children, the elderly, pregnant women, etc,
even if their mates in the BBC explain it away as 'death by natural
causes'.

Also there is the inability to escape in case of fire.

The Health & Safety at Work Act requires employers to provide a safe
and healthy environment for all persons in the workplace.

FWIW, reasearch into accidents on BR's SR found that dense crowding
of trains can improve safety in the event of a crash (you can't move
about much, and nor can the train's fittings...

But then they would say that.


Yes, the findings of the research would be a huge consolation as you were
being steadily crushed to death by the sheer weight of bodies lying on top
of you.

--
Joe Lee

On 6 Jul, 03:36, "Joe Lee" invalid@noaddress wrote:
FWIW, reasearch into accidents on BR's SR found that dense crowding
of trains can improve safety in the event of a crash (you can't move
about much, and nor can the train's fittings...

But then they would say that.

Yes, the findings of the research would be a huge consolation as you were
being steadily crushed to death by the sheer weight of bodies lying on top
of you.

"they" = independent HSE researchers, not the railways.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/crr_p...9/CRR99225.pdf

Key quote: "no evidence exists to suggest that the net level of risk
to the individual standing on an overcrowded train is any greater than
that presented to a person standing in a non-overcrowded train. This
reinforces the findings of the Clapham Junction Inquiry that there is
no evidence to suggest that overcrowding per se is a safety issue".

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org