John B wrote:
On 5 Jul, 13:15, chunky munky wrote:
"Initial reports from the driver are he saw something white flapping
in the tunnel, before he hit it. There was a loud noise and then he
hit the brakes," he said.

Evil ghosts?

KKK?

On 5 Jul, 12:03, John B wrote:
On 5 Jul, 11:26, Paul Weaver wrote:

As usual when the line is closed from Liverpool St to Leytonstone,
those out west are abandoned. In the last few months there have been 2
or 3 suspensions in this part of the line, plus engineering works. A
crossover to allow trains from the west to run to/from Stratford (even
if it's only half the trains, the others reversing at Leytonstone)
would allow people out west to connect to mainline, Jubilee and DLR
services.

Instead you're left to your own devices to get scummy busses to
Walthamstow or Chingford (at least on the Epping branch)

ITYM "east"?

East, West, same thing

My S.O. Was stuck on the train between Stratford and Mile End, had to
walk through the tunnel to Mile End, and then (after being released
from the holding pen) got charged for a trip from Bow Road to
Liverpool Street, and had to buy a ticket to Chingford, just to get
home. Can't reall be bothered with claiming the money back, but
perhaps people evacced from trains should be given a permit to
complete their journey free of charge by any means, along with the
bottle of water?

On Jul 5, 11:26 am, Paul Weaver wrote:
On 5 Jul, 10:06, contrex wrote:

Central Line services are suspended between Leytonstone and Liverpool
Street, causing minor delays.

Not for those stuck on the train.

As usual when the line is closed from Liverpool St to Leytonstone,
those out west are abandoned. In the last few months there have been 2
or 3 suspensions in this part of the line, plus engineering works. A
crossover to allow trains from the west to run to/from Stratford (even
if it's only half the trains, the others reversing at Leytonstone)
would allow people out west to connect to mainline, Jubilee and DLR
services.

Instead you're left to your own devices to get scummy busses to
Walthamstow or Chingford (at least on the Epping branch)

A crossover at Stratford is desirable but major works would be needed
to provide one in the tunnels either side of the station. Since these
tunnels start immediately before and after the platforms there may not
be sufficient space for a crossover at surface level. Even if there
was enough room this would also involve a flat crossing of the Network
Rail main line into Liverpool Street (which runs between the Central
Line tracks at Stratford Station). This would probably be
unacceptable to NR because of the signalling complications and the
likely delays to NR services every time it was used.

London, 5 July 2007 - A Metronet spokesperson said: "Shortly after 9am
this morning, the three leading bogies of a Central Line train came
off the rails in a tunnel on the west-bound track between Mile End and
Bethnal Green.

"Whilst it is important not to pre-judge the outcome of the
investigation, our initial reports suggest that a bale of material
became dislodged from its licensed storage position in a tunnel cross-
passage.

"As a precaution, Metronet has ordered an immediate audit of all
similar storage sites used by its staff and contractors - and this
will be completed before the start of service tomorrow morning. To
enable this work to proceed, Metronet has additionally ordered that
all works be suspended tonight, with the exception of essential
maintenance.

We apologise to passengers for the distress that this morning's
incident has caused - and for the inconvenience to the many people
that use the Central line daily.

"Working closely with London Underground, Metronet already has teams
on site to start the work of restoring this section of the line to
service as quickly as possible."

ENDS

"chunky munky" wrote in message
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London, 5 July 2007 - A Metronet spokesperson said: "Shortly after 9am
this morning, the three leading bogies of a Central Line train came
off the rails in a tunnel on the west-bound track between Mile End and
Bethnal Green.

"Whilst it is important not to pre-judge the outcome of the
investigation, our initial reports suggest that a bale of material
became dislodged from its licensed storage position in a tunnel cross-
passage.

"As a precaution, Metronet has ordered an immediate audit of all
similar storage sites used by its staff and contractors - and this
will be completed before the start of service tomorrow morning. To
enable this work to proceed, Metronet has additionally ordered that
all works be suspended tonight, with the exception of essential
maintenance.

We apologise to passengers for the distress that this morning's
incident has caused - and for the inconvenience to the many people
that use the Central line daily.

"Working closely with London Underground, Metronet already has teams
on site to start the work of restoring this section of the line to

Am I right in thinking that 1992 stock has smaller wheels than other
Tube trains and is perhaps more likely to derail when it encounters
something on the track?

On Jul 5, 2:09 pm, "Recliner" wrote:
"chunky munky" wrote in message

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London, 5 July 2007 - A Metronet spokesperson said: "Shortly after 9am
this morning, the three leading bogies of a Central Line train came
off the rails in a tunnel on the west-bound track between Mile End and
Bethnal Green.

"Whilst it is important not to pre-judge the outcome of the
investigation, our initial reports suggest that a bale of material
became dislodged from its licensed storage position in a tunnel cross-
passage.

"As a precaution, Metronet has ordered an immediate audit of all
similar storage sites used by its staff and contractors - and this
will be completed before the start of service tomorrow morning. To
enable this work to proceed, Metronet has additionally ordered that
all works be suspended tonight, with the exception of essential
maintenance.

We apologise to passengers for the distress that this morning's
incident has caused - and for the inconvenience to the many people
that use the Central line daily.

"Working closely with London Underground, Metronet already has teams
on site to start the work of restoring this section of the line to

Am I right in thinking that 1992 stock has smaller wheels than other
Tube trains and is perhaps more likely to derail when it encounters
something on the track?

All LU Rolling Stock now have the same sized wheels.

On 5 Jul, 14:09, "Recliner" wrote:
Am I right in thinking that 1992 stock has smaller wheels than other
Tube trains and is perhaps more likely to derail when it encounters
something on the track?

It does seem strange that a heavy train could become derailed by
something light enough to have become dislodged by vibration or air
movements and apparently flap around in the wind.

B2003

On Jul 5, 2:31 pm, Boltar wrote:
On 5 Jul, 14:09, "Recliner" wrote:

Am I right in thinking that 1992 stock has smaller wheels than other
Tube trains and is perhaps more likely to derail when it encounters
something on the track?

It does seem strange that a heavy train could become derailed by
something light enough to have become dislodged by vibration or air
movements and apparently flap around in the wind.

B2003

"Our initial reports suggest that a bale of material became dislodged
from its licensed storage position in a tunnel cross-passage," said a
Metronet spokesman.

Whatever that means

Neill

chunky munky wrote:
On Jul 5, 2:09 pm, "Recliner" wrote:

Am I right in thinking that 1992 stock has smaller wheels than
other Tube trains and is perhaps more likely to derail when it
encounters something on the track?

All LU Rolling Stock now have the same sized wheels.

Not according to the rolling stock dimensions page at Tube Prune
( http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/Dimensions.htm )

That shows that 92 stock does indeed have the smallest wheel diameter of
700 mm.

The others a

95, 96: 770 mm
67, 72, 73, D: 788 mm
A, C: 915 mm

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On Jul 5, 2:41 pm, verbena wrote:
On Jul 5, 2:31 pm, Boltar wrote:

On 5 Jul, 14:09, "Recliner" wrote:

Am I right in thinking that 1992 stock has smaller wheels than other
Tube trains and is perhaps more likely to derail when it encounters
something on the track?

It does seem strange that a heavy train could become derailed by
something light enough to have become dislodged by vibration or air
movements and apparently flap around in the wind.

B2003

"Our initial reports suggest that a bale of material became dislodged
from its licensed storage position in a tunnel cross-passage," said a
Metronet spokesman.

Whatever that means

Neill

'tunnel cross passage'
= A passageway between the eastbound and westbound tunnels

'licensed storage position'
= contractors need a licence to leave stuff they are using at specific
locations on LUL property. If there is room it saves them having to
bring it in every night. I think storage licensing has been required
ever since the Kings Cross fire which involved stuff under the
escalator which should not have been left there.

'bale of material'
= contractors stuff

'dislodged'
fell off the pile - possibly should have been better secured