On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:04:18 GMT, "Graham J"
wrote:

I think that you should be allowed unlimited tram journeys within the
seventy minutes and not just two as it would solve the problem of trams
going out of service at a stroke.

Or how about just saying that if you touch in for a bus or tram
journey within 60 minutes (or whatever) of touching in for another bus
journey, the next one is free and the clock restarts. A discount on
the first bus journey if you touched out of a Tube journey a specified
time (15 minutes?) beforehand would also be good.

We should not penalise people because of slow services or because thye
have to change a lot. We also shouldn't penalise people for
multimodal journeys, as such things are an integral part of an
integrated public transport network.

Neil

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I think that you should be allowed unlimited tram journeys within the
seventy minutes and not just two as it would solve the problem of trams
going out of service at a stroke.

Or how about just saying that if you touch in for a bus or tram
journey within 60 minutes (or whatever) of touching in for another bus
journey, the next one is free and the clock restarts. A discount on
the first bus journey if you touched out of a Tube journey a specified
time (15 minutes?) beforehand would also be good.

My comment addressed what seemed to me to be an unnecessary flaw in the
current arrangement that can unnecessarily penalise or inconvenience those
needing to change trams on their journey. It seems that it ought to be
possible to tweak things with negligible effect on revenue.

It seems to me the present arrangement on the trams is really just so they
can implement the combined feeder bus and tram journeys, and the combined
tram journeys is just a bonus.

I totally agree with your suggestion. It seems to me that it would benefit
more people, it would be more robust, and it actually sounds like it should
be easier to implement than what they do now on the trams and feeder buses.

We should not penalise people because of slow services or because thye
have to change a lot. We also shouldn't penalise people for
multimodal journeys, as such things are an integral part of an
integrated public transport network.

Absolutely, and also when services have to be terminated short for whatever
reason the passengers really shouldn't have to worry about whether they are
getting double charged or not. The system should consider such things as
normal events, not exceptional circumstances.

On Jul 9, 8:16 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
If the bus was already running
short when you got on then I'm afraid it's tough luck as short turns do
happen and people should really look where the bus is headed.

This is one of my major bugbears ... the driver should say the bus is
running short before you pay. I get the bus home from Fleet St. The
buses drive nose-to-tail during rush hour and you don't get an
opportunity to see the front of the bus. Usually the driver opens the
doors about 50-100m from the stop (since he's in almost stationary
traffic, so people are eager to get off) so running up to the bus to
make sure you get on (he's not going to stop again) it means you don't
have time, nor the visibility to check if the bus is going where it's
supposed to.

Slightly different on bendys, but I don't see why a driver should have
any problem in just telling people boarding that "this bus terminates
at Moorgate" to people getting on at St Pauls, or wherever.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:46:31 -0700, David F wrote:

This is one of my major bugbears ... the driver should say the bus is
running short before you pay.

Or better still, TfL could get out of the dark ages and adopt LED
destination blinds, which could show the final destination and via
points on the front, side and back.

It's funny how TfL is going further back to the dark ages with blinds
(single destination paper) while everyone else is going forward (LED
with via points, often dynamically updated).

Neil

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On 11 Jul, 04:13, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:04:18 GMT, "Graham J"
wrote:

I think that you should be allowed unlimited tram journeys within the
seventy minutes and not just two as it would solve the problem of trams
going out of service at a stroke.

Or how about just saying that if you touch in for a bus or tram
journey within 60 minutes (or whatever) of touching in for another bus
journey, the next one is free and the clock restarts. A discount on
the first bus journey if you touched out of a Tube journey a specified
time (15 minutes?) beforehand would also be good.

We should not penalise people because of slow services or because thye
have to change a lot. We also shouldn't penalise people for
multimodal journeys, as such things are an integral part of an
integrated public transport network.

Absolutely. As you said this is already in place in Singapore. I would
say to extend the discount time to 40 minutes to take into account
walking and waiting time.

Peter

On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 08:16:17PM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

Was the bus already on a short trip when you boarded or were you
curtailed once you had got on? If the latter then the driver should
have waited to transfer you to the next bus or presented you with a
transfer ticket.

That would seem somewhat inefficient, especially when you consider
cancelling a busy route like the 38 half way along its journey, which
happens ALL THE TIME. When two or three buses in a row are turned at
somewhere like Hyde Park Corner, it isn't possible for all the
passengers to get on the next 38, and my understanding is that transfer
tickets wouldn't be valid on, say, the 8 which follows an identical
route from there on. Additionally, drivers don't like issuing transfer
tickets before the point at which they're going to turn round, despite
it being far better from the passenger's point of view to change buses
early, as you're more likely to get a seat on the next bus.

Yes, I know why they cancel buses (which is what "curtailed" really
means), and I think it's a good idea, I'm not complaining about that.

the driver should not have dumped you at the roadside if
you were curtailed after you boarded.

Who should I complain to about this every day then? :-)

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