On Jul 10, 5:45 pm, asdf wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:11:08 -0700, MIG wrote:
or else sillinesses like having a colour for Charing Cross/Cannon Street
and then saying that the route from Dartford to Victoria is really
covered by Charing Cross services that go to Victoria, rather than have
two colours along the Bexleyheath line.

This is bad, wrong, and i will not be doing it.

It's not the most awful thing about that map that comes (came) with
the timetable. I can't find it on the Web.

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...lesMay07/Schem...


The very monstrosity I was thinking of; thanks.

On Jul 10, 6:05 pm, MIG wrote:
On Jul 10, 5:45 pm, asdf wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:11:08 -0700, MIG wrote:
or else sillinesses like having a colour for Charing Cross/Cannon Street
and then saying that the route from Dartford to Victoria is really
covered by Charing Cross services that go to Victoria, rather than have
two colours along the Bexleyheath line.

This is bad, wrong, and i will not be doing it.

It's not the most awful thing about that map that comes (came) with
the timetable. I can't find it on the Web.

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...lesMay07/Schem...

The very monstrosity I was thinking of; thanks.



Mind you, they have recently fixed a few of the errors that had been
left untouched for years.

Just a small diversion from the topic - is it possible to get a pocket
London Connections map form anywhere? The only place I saw it is on
the wall of the underground stations. It got a bit annoying when I
walked 10 minutes to a station, just to find out that it is in Z4,
when I have a Z1-4 travelcard.

On Jul 10, 6:39 pm, XmaX wrote:
Just a small diversion from the topic - is it possible to get a pocket
London Connections map form anywhere? The only place I saw it is on
the wall of the underground stations. It got a bit annoying when I
walked 10 minutes to a station, just to find out that it is in Z4,
when I have a Z1-4 travelcard.



All London stations probably have them when each new edition first
comes out, although the busier stations tend to run out quite soon.
You may find that stations away from London are more likely to have
some left over for longer after each new one comes out. So if you are
passing Oxted while the office is open ...

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, XmaX wrote:

Just a small diversion from the topic - is it possible to get a pocket
London Connections map form anywhere?

Your nearest colour printer!

tom

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:39:01 -0700, XmaX wrote:

Just a small diversion from the topic - is it possible to get a pocket
London Connections map form anywhere? The only place I saw it is on
the wall of the underground stations. It got a bit annoying when I
walked 10 minutes to a station, just to find out that it is in Z4,
when I have a Z1-4 travelcard.

"One" had some on leaflet racks at Walthamstow Central recently but they
disappeared very rapidly indeed - I did manage to grab one. I would ask
at a National Rail ticket office or at a travel centre if you are near a
main line terminal station in Central London. TfL Travel Information
Centres might also have them but I don't think LU ticket offices hold
them.
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Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

or else sillinesses like having a colour for Charing Cross/Cannon Street
and then saying that the route from Dartford to Victoria is really
covered by Charing Cross services that go to Victoria, rather than have
two colours along the Bexleyheath line.

This is bad, wrong, and i will not be doing it.

In the end, the grouping of services by TOC (or former BR division) is
more likely to correspond to some kind of operational reality without
creating incredible complication.

No, colouring by terminus is fine, as i will soon demonstrate!


In a similar vein, in reality, some London Bridge services do extend
to Charing Cross and they come from the same places and are run by the
same operator that is the main user of the London Bridge terminus.

Would you be completely pure about it and consider them to be Charing
Cross services, and have three parallel colours down a relatively
minor branch like Caterham?

Also (did someone already ask?) what colour will you use when trains
travel from one terminus to another, eg London Bridge to Victoria by a
number of different routes at various times, currently two main ones?

I admire your determination, but this is going to be a very difficult
task.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:52:03 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:

Right,

All that stuff about maps got me thinking. It should be possible to colour
in the lines on the London Connections map to show which termini trains
run to. Since i'm a dab hand with the Gimp, i thought i'd give it a go
myself. Here's the first draft, which so far only has the Paddington lines
done:

http://urchin.earth.li/~twic/tmp/Lon...(Coloured).png

Apologies for the weird look; i had to rasterise the PDF to edit it, and
it's come out funny (blame Ghostscript!).

The reason i'm posting it with one line done (well, two, as i'm planning
to do Thameslink in black!) is to ask: does this look completely rubbish
or what? I think colouring in the edges of the quite thin NR lines isn't
visually strong enough. Am i wasting my time doing it like this? An
alternative route would be to dig out Illustrator and see if i can make
the lines a bit thicker.

For those who care, i'm picking colours by associating each terminus with
a tube line, based on the area served, and copying its colour. I'm
currently thinking:

Paddington - H&C
Marylebone - Metropolitan
Euston - Bakerloo
St Pancras - Northern (Thameslink is like the Northern line of railways)
King's Cross - Piccadilly
Moorgate - as King's Cross
Liverpool Street - Central
Fenchurch Street - Jubilee
London Bridge - East London
Cannon Street - as London Bridge
Blackfriars - Northern (as St Pancras)
Charing Cross - as London Bridge
Waterloo - District
Victoria - Victoria (hey, it's a link!)
orbital lines - Circle

I'm not totally convinced about Fenchurch Street and London Bridge, or the
orbital lines.

I'm not convinced by your limited attempt with the Paddington lines. I
agree with you that it does not stand out well enough and using such
thin lines will cause problems for those of us with less than perfect
colour vision when lines cross over each other. I can cope with the
tube map perfectly well because it so bold and clear in its use of
colour.

I think there needs to be a decision as to whether you just want to show
a mini network as one colour into one terminal station or if you wish to
attempt to show service patterns as per the tube map and that old
Southern Railway map that was in a post yesterday.

I liked the old SR map because it showed the service pattern. I'm not
terribly familiar with the service pattern in South London and giving
that information clearly using colour was a genuine help. The Overground
map with trains per hour is moderately helpful but is confusing at
certain points where numbers of train per hour suddenly increase at key
stations but then decline either side of that station. You get no sense
of what trains run where.

I realise the service pattern option would get very busy in South London
and some parts of North London and this might mean having two maps to
deal with it. If you could get sufficient clarity / scale to
accommodate service patterns then it should be possible to show the
frequency of trains per hour for each service which would allow people
to better see how frequently direct trains ran vis a vis the options of
changing at somewhere like Lewisham or Clapham Junction or Sutton.

If you wished to show just one colour for a group of lines then the
other option is to designate service patterns with route codes (like the
RER) and show which codes stop at which station. To some extent we used
to have this with headcodes but, of course, the public are so thick as
to not understand what they mean (well according to railway company
market research!).

I applaud your efforts for trying and hope you come up with a neat
solution.
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Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

XmaX wrote:
Just a small diversion from the topic - is it possible to get a pocket
London Connections map form anywhere? The only place I saw it is on
the wall of the underground stations. It got a bit annoying when I
walked 10 minutes to a station, just to find out that it is in Z4,
when I have a Z1-4 travelcard.

Define pocket. I've never seen one the size of a small pocket tube map.
The information kiosk at Cambridge station usually seems to have some
larger brochure-sized maps.
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Michael Hoffman

On Jul 10, 7:18 pm, MIG wrote:
Would you be completely pure about it and consider them to be Charing
Cross services, and have three parallel colours down a relatively
minor branch like Caterham?

All services to/through London Bridge should be the same colour, since
it's easy enough to change there.

Also (did someone already ask?) what colour will you use when trains
travel from one terminus to another, eg London Bridge to Victoria by a
number of different routes at various times, currently two main ones?

The SR one I posted yesterday has parallel lines in both colours.

U

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