On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:36:23 +0100, Sam Wilson
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In article ,
"Paul Scott" wrote:

Reminder - bookings for Eurostar from St Pancras are now available via their
website

www.eurostar.com

Double page spread in the Independent this morning showing a picture of
not-quite-completed StP from track level. I guess the other papers have
similar but I haven't seen them yet.

Guardian has a double-page of the DLR boring machine broken through
at Woolwich Arsenal -- haven't found a link on their site yet.

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Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:
Guardian has a double-page of the DLR boring machine broken through
at Woolwich Arsenal -- haven't found a link on their site yet.

Once the DLR is open at Woolwich Arsenal, is there going to be an
increase in National Rail services calling there?

If you're going to/from Kent, at what point along the DLR Woolwich
branch will it be quicker to go via the DLR and change at Woolwich,
rather than go via Canary Wharf and change at Greenwich on NR?

"Mark Morton" wrote

Once the DLR is open at Woolwich Arsenal, is there going to be an
increase in National Rail services calling there?

All trains through Woolwich Arsenal call there already, and I don't think
there's much scope for an increase in frequency.

Peter

On Jul 24, 5:14 pm, Mark Morton wrote:
Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:

Guardian has a double-page of the DLR boring machine broken through
at Woolwich Arsenal -- haven't found a link on their site yet.

Once the DLR is open at Woolwich Arsenal, is there going to be an
increase in National Rail services calling there?

If you're going to/from Kent, at what point along the DLR Woolwich
branch will it be quicker to go via the DLR and change at Woolwich,
rather than go via Canary Wharf and change at Greenwich on NR?

From anywhere between Bank and King George V. The DLR website gives
Woolwich Arsenal to Bank as 27 minutes, while Greenwich to Bank is 22
minutes; and the train takes 11 - 13 minutes to get from Greenwich to
Woolwich.You'll only be better going via Greenwich if you're
travelling from stations between Pudding Mill Lane and Lewisham.

On Jul 24, 8:59 pm, brixtonite wrote:
On Jul 24, 5:14 pm, Mark Morton wrote:

Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:

Guardian has a double-page of the DLR boring machine broken through
at Woolwich Arsenal -- haven't found a link on their site yet.

Once the DLR is open at Woolwich Arsenal, is there going to be an
increase in National Rail services calling there?

If you're going to/from Kent, at what point along the DLR Woolwich
branch will it be quicker to go via the DLR and change at Woolwich,
rather than go via Canary Wharf and change at Greenwich on NR?
From anywhere between Bank and King George V. The DLR website gives

Woolwich Arsenal to Bank as 27 minutes, while Greenwich to Bank is 22
minutes; and the train takes 11 - 13 minutes to get from Greenwich to
Woolwich.You'll only be better going via Greenwich if you're
travelling from stations between Pudding Mill Lane and Lewisham.

If you're at Bank, then just get on a train at Cannon Street.

I am trying to work out the main use of the extension. Anyone wanting
the City will just stay on the train to Cannon Street. Anyone wanting
Canary Wharf will need to change at Greenwich or Lewisham or else have
to change again at Poplar or Westferry.

So the real link it adds is for people who want to cross the Thames
and head towards places like Stratford, which for the moment they
can't without changes, or London City Airport. It's a pedestrian
alternative to the Woolwich Ferry and foot tunnel, and can't be much
more till new connections are build north of the Thames.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, MIG wrote:

On Jul 24, 8:59 pm, brixtonite wrote:
On Jul 24, 5:14 pm, Mark Morton wrote:

If you're going to/from Kent, at what point along the DLR Woolwich
branch will it be quicker to go via the DLR and change at Woolwich,
rather than go via Canary Wharf and change at Greenwich on NR? From
anywhere between Bank and King George V. The DLR website gives

Woolwich Arsenal to Bank as 27 minutes, while Greenwich to Bank is 22
minutes; and the train takes 11 - 13 minutes to get from Greenwich to
Woolwich.You'll only be better going via Greenwich if you're travelling
from stations between Pudding Mill Lane and Lewisham.

If you're at Bank, then just get on a train at Cannon Street.

I am trying to work out the main use of the extension.

To get people actually living in Woolwich, or within a short bus ride of
it, to Docklands? That area is one of the major Thames Gateway target
areas, with unwisety thousand homes due to be built. It doesn't go right
into Canary Wharf, but it does go to Poplar, and it's only a few minutes
walk from there to most of the office space in Docklands.

I have to say, it does seem like a bit of a barmy project. A whole new
pair of tubes under the Thames just to serve a station that already has
perfectly good trains! The DLR planners must be thinking about carrying
the line on further - maybe to Thamesmead, Erith and more of the Thames
Gateway target areas. Except they've built the line facing the wrong way
for that ...

Perhaps the best thing about it is that it proves you can actually build
new tunnels, even under the river, without making a huge fuss or spending
a fortune. AlwaysTouchOut prices the project at 145 million all in, for
2.5 km. That would mean the much-needed freight link across from Hoo to
Tilbury would probably only cost 300 million, which is encouraging.

tom

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