In message , at 16:25:18
on Wed, 25 Jul 2007, MichaelJP remarked:
On a more mundane note, anyone know when the pedestrian tunnel opens from
the MML platforms allowing access south to the tube station? Sick of getting
soaked!

A few years I expect (when the northern ticket office opens).

Before then (not sure a date has been given, but probably before
November) you should be able to walk through the main shed (and past the
infamous Champagne bar) to the tube at the front of St Pancras.
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:29:07 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 16:25:18
on Wed, 25 Jul 2007, MichaelJP remarked:
On a more mundane note, anyone know when the pedestrian tunnel opens from
the MML platforms allowing access south to the tube station? Sick of getting
soaked!

A few years I expect (when the northern ticket office opens).

Before then (not sure a date has been given, but probably before
November) you should be able to walk through the main shed (and past the
infamous Champagne bar) to the tube at the front of St Pancras.

Do I deduce from this post and Uriah's that there will be walking
routes both at platform/Champagne bar level and at undercroft/street
level? Having to use the higher level would be a pain for TL
passengers.

--
Peter Lawrence

Peter Lawrence wrote:
Do I deduce from this post and Uriah's that there will be walking
routes both at platform/Champagne bar level and at undercroft/street
level? Having to use the higher level would be a pain for TL
passengers.

All walking routes will be at street/undercroft level, either south to
the western ticket hall or east to the stairs down to the new subway to
the northern ticket hall.

I don't think you can get anywhere useful at MML/E* platform level, and
the TL station looks to have exactly one way out, by going up escalators
that dump you at the NW corner of the undercroft level.

U

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A blog about transport projects in London

In article ,
(Mr Thant) wrote:

I don't think you can get anywhere useful at MML/E* platform level,
and the TL station looks to have exactly one way out, by going up
escalators that dump you at the NW corner of the undercroft level.

Sounds very cycle-friendly - not!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
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In article ,
(Mr Thant) wrote:

I don't think you can get anywhere useful at MML/E* platform level,
and the TL station looks to have exactly one way out, by going up
escalators that dump you at the NW corner of the undercroft level.

Sounds very cycle-friendly - not!


Sometimes I reckon you'll only be happy with the cycle provision when you
can ride directly from the carriage to the Euston Rd.

Paul

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Mr Thant) wrote:

I don't think you can get anywhere useful at MML/E* platform level,
and the TL station looks to have exactly one way out, by going up
escalators that dump you at the NW corner of the undercroft level.

Sounds very cycle-friendly - not!

Sometimes I reckon you'll only be happy with the cycle provision
when you can ride directly from the carriage to the Euston Rd.

I can walk from the platforms at King's Cross to Pancras Road or Euston
Road.

I used to be able to ride almost up to the platforms at Liverpool Street.
When they redeveloped it, in these supposedly access conscious days, they
introduced steps (up as well as down) all over the place. You have to
walk a hell of a long way round to avoid them. This is of course much
more of an issue for parents with buggies than for cyclists but it is
still so thoughtless.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Mr Thant" wrote in message
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Peter Lawrence wrote:
Do I deduce from this post and Uriah's that there will be walking
routes both at platform/Champagne bar level and at undercroft/street
level? Having to use the higher level would be a pain for TL
passengers.

All walking routes will be at street/undercroft level, either south to the
western ticket hall or east to the stairs down to the new subway to the
northern ticket hall.

Wrong see below please...

I don't think you can get anywhere useful at MML/E* platform level, and
the TL station looks to have exactly one way out, by going up escalators
that dump you at the NW corner of the undercroft level.


There is a route from the MML platform level all the way down to the front
of the station, on the west side, and then round towards the SE corner of
the train shed, where there is a level exit to the front of the station,
where I believe the cab entrance used to be. How else would they entice
people into the various pubs and restaurants, not to mention the champagne
bar? Exit here then leads either westwards down the old vehicle ramp towards
Euston Rd, or directly down a flight of steps to pavement level, immediately
to the south of the LU western ticket hall entrance onto Pancras Rd opposite
Kings Cross. Within the LU western ticket hall itself, there is (currently
boarded off) street level access to the St Pancras undercroft, immediately
next to the Eurostar ticket office, which is on the same level as the
combined ticket hall for the 3 domestic operators, although obviously some
distance away.

I suspect the Thameslink escalators are where they are firstly to allow easy
change between MML and Thameslink (FCC) services, and secondly, so that they
are about half way along the 12 car platforms, which aids loading the 24 tph
trains more evenly. Also, those critical of the distances between the
domestic and LU SSL platforms may find that they have been designed that way
to break up what could otherwise be large numbers arriving simultaneously
off 9 car long distance or12 car Thameslink services. Perhaps an expert on
queuing theory could comment?

Paul

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:36:09 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:


"Mr Thant" wrote in message
.uk...
Peter Lawrence wrote:
Do I deduce from this post and Uriah's that there will be walking
routes both at platform/Champagne bar level and at undercroft/street
level? Having to use the higher level would be a pain for TL
passengers.


There is a route from the MML platform level all the way down to the front
of the station, on the west side, and then round towards the SE corner of
the train shed, where there is a level exit to the front of the station,
where I believe the cab entrance used to be. How else would they entice
people into the various pubs and restaurants, not to mention the champagne
bar? Exit here then leads either westwards down the old vehicle ramp towards
Euston Rd, or directly down a flight of steps to pavement level, immediately
to the south of the LU western ticket hall entrance onto Pancras Rd opposite
Kings Cross. Within the LU western ticket hall itself, there is (currently
boarded off) street level access to the St Pancras undercroft, immediately
next to the Eurostar ticket office, which is on the same level as the
combined ticket hall for the 3 domestic operators, although obviously some
distance away.

Thankyou.

I suspect the Thameslink escalators are where they are firstly to allow easy
change between MML and Thameslink (FCC) services,
For which the demand mist be ,minimal since they noth servce the same
line!
and secondly, so that they
are about half way along the 12 car platforms, which aids loading the 24 tph
trains more evenly.

But maximises the length of the queue trying to get out.

Also, those critical of the distances between the
domestic and LU SSL platforms may find that they have been designed that way
to break up what could otherwise be large numbers arriving simultaneously
off 9 car long distance or12 car Thameslink services. Perhaps an expert on
queuing theory could comment?

More likely the design reflects the location of straight track where
the TL station could be built!
--
Peter Lawrence

"Peter Lawrence" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:36:09 +0100, "Paul Scott"

I suspect the Thameslink escalators are where they are firstly to allow
easy
change between MML and Thameslink (FCC) services,

For which the demand mist be ,minimal since they noth servce the same
line!

I did think about that before suggesting it, as that seems to be the case
for southbound journies to London, but as Thameslink capacity gradually
increases, won't they expect more transfers from/to South of London
destinations into/from the longer distance MML services?

Paul

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:06:15 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:


"Peter Lawrence" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:36:09 +0100, "Paul Scott"

I suspect the Thameslink escalators are where they are firstly to allow
easy
change between MML and Thameslink (FCC) services,

For which the demand mist be ,minimal since they noth servce the same
line!

I did think about that before suggesting it, as that seems to be the case
for southbound journies to London, but as Thameslink capacity gradually
increases, won't they expect more transfers from/to South of London
destinations into/from the longer distance MML services?

If you are travelling to a destination north of Bedford, currently it
is easier to change at Luton Airport Parkway, Luton or Bedford in most
cases, rather than trudge through the passageways and hike to the MML
platforms at St Pancras.

With the new station open, changing at St Pancras becomes easier,
although still not as easy as a same-platform change at LAP.
--
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org