"Steve Naïve" wrote in message ...
"AstraVanMan" wrote in

And on a slightly different note, can I just mention that bloody idiot
pedestrians who casually walk across crossings a good 4-5 seconds
after their light has gone red, are equally, if not more so, to blame
for congestion in cities. But do they get fined? Do they ****. I've
not heard of a single prosecution for anything like the offence known
as jaywalking in the states.

Charing X road (outside Leicester Sq tube) is a favourite for that one.
Almost cycled into one (pdestiran) there today, they were not even looking
if any traffic was coming (me on my bike + big Mercedes).

My experience of cyclists is that they ignore traffic lights and most other
road signs. Like the one that nearly mowed me down when I was crossing at
traffic lights when the 'green man' was showing.

Ian

Ian wrote:

My experience of cyclists is that they ignore traffic lights and most
other road signs. Like the one that nearly mowed me down when I was
crossing at traffic lights when the 'green man' was showing.

Indeed. If they want to be treated as road vehicles they need to behave as
road vehicles.

--
http://www.speedlimit.org.uk
"If laws are to be respected, they must be worthy of respect."

"PeterE" wrote in message
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Ian wrote:

My experience of cyclists is that they ignore traffic lights and most
other road signs. Like the one that nearly mowed me down when I was
crossing at traffic lights when the 'green man' was showing.

Indeed. If they want to be treated as road vehicles they need to behave as
road vehicles.

Not suggesting they pay their fair share of road tax, and having 3rd party
insurance are you? God forbid.

Rob

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:44:21 +0100 Richard wrote:
}
} In Switzerland IIRC there's often (always?) a flashing yellow to
} remind the turning drivers that pedestrians have a green light. It
} works there, of course; in France (as would happen here) you've got to
} be very careful, and there aren't many such pedestrian crossings
} anyway (I can only think of one, in Paris off the Rue de Rivoli near
} Samaritaine).

There's a flashing sign for motorists turning that says "Priorite
Peitons"

There are a dozen or more predestrian crossings on the boulevard
Voltaire alone.

Matthew
--
Il est important d'être un homme ou une femme en colère; le jour où nous
quitte la colère, ou le désir, c'est cuit. - Barbara

http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/

Rob wrote:


Not suggesting they pay their fair share of road tax, and having 3rd party
insurance are you? God forbid.

Fair share of road tax?

VED for a small motorcycle is ?15. As cycles are more environmentally
friendly than motorcycles I would suggest ?10 would be quite a high
resonable value for cyclists to pay.

Personally, I would gladly pay ?10/year, but only if it meant proper
facilities being provided for cyclists, including safe and direct places to
travel, and appropriate parking facilities. What are the chances of that
happening?

--
Chris Lambert (http://web.trout-fish.org.uk/)
You Only Pie Twice

In message , Robin Cox
writes
Remember that even if the road is clear, German pedestrians *will not*
cross the road until the green man is showing, and will chastise
tourists for doing so...


They definitely don't like you crossing till the green man! I did it in
Cologne and found it bizarre everyone was waiting even though the
nearest car was in Belgium. I waited with the rest in the end.
--
CJG

Chris Lambert wrote:

Personally, I would gladly pay ?10/year, but only if it meant proper
facilities being provided for cyclists, including safe and direct
places to travel, and appropriate parking facilities. What are the
chances of that happening?

Well, it doesn't happen for car drivers, despite typically paying over £1000
a year for VED and fuel duty.

--
http://www.speedlimit.org.uk
"If laws are to be respected, they must be worthy of respect."

In message ,
AstraVanMan writes
Half the time they don't even ****ing look when they cross.

Well Im sure your suppose to drive defensively and expect other cars and
pedestrians to do that.
And Im sure I could list 100's of things car drivers do to upset and
inconvenience pedestrians.
Such as the person who decided to park their 4x4 across the pavement
meaning I had to walk in the road no doubt upsetting the car drivers who
had to move to the right to avoid me.
And the high number of car drivers who don't think red lights at
pedestrian crossings count as real red lights. And Zebra crossings you
only have to stop at if the car in front has stopped.
To name one of 100.
--
CJG

"PeterE" wrote in message
Ian wrote:
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in message,

The wording appears to have changed. It *was* something like "...
oncoming traffic going ahead or also turning right". In other words,
*one* car can wait on the box to turn right from each direction, but
that's all; the second car in each queue must wait to enter the box,
just as when going straight ahead.

--
Rule 99 of the 1978 HC says '....you may enter the box when you want
to turn right and are prevented from doing so only by oncoming
traffic or by vehicles waiting to make a right turn.' Which is very
similar to the 1999 HC except for the word 'stopped' being used
instead of 'prevented', and a couple of commas thrown in. So I
think you are wrong. More than one car can queue in the box to turn
right, but only if the exit to the right is clear for them all once
the oncoming traffic has ceased blocking the way.

The trouble is, you could easily get in that situation and then find the
road to your right blocked by traffic from the opposite direction turning
left.

Rule 150 of the current HC says 'you may enter the box and wait when you
want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming
traffic.... ' It doesn't say what the oncoming traffic is doing. So if it is
turning left you can still stop and wait. The oncoming traffic can't wait in
the box to turn left or go straight on without breaking the rules. Their
fault, not yours.

Ian

PeterE wrote:

Well, it doesn't happen for car drivers, despite typically paying over
?1000 a year for VED and fuel duty.

I don't know:

- safe and direct places to travel

Roads are as safe as drivers make them. They are usually direct.

- Appropriate parking facilities

In most places there is sufficient space to park. Where parking is limited
this is due to lack of available space not the lack of willingness from
local councils, etc.

--
Chris Lambert (http://web.trout-fish.org.uk/)
BTW, FWIW, IMHO, AFAIK, yes. OTOH, AAMOF, maybe not. YMMV.