"Bob" wrote in message
oups.com...
http://www.silicon.com/publicsector/...9168037,00.htm

Of course this will mean the need for cyber gripping.


Notice how its spun as a great idea by the TOC - all the recent franchises
(since SWT) were required to provide for smartcard ticketing. It doesn't
seem to make too much sense to go for unique products in different areas
though, does it. I reckon a number of these ideas will fail to take off, and
they'll come down in favour of ITSO, with Oyster becoming ITSO compatible
too. Of course if RFID chips are built into phones as a secondary function
that would be useful...

Paul

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:49:25 +0100 someone who may be "Paul Scott"
wrote this:-

Notice how its spun as a great idea by the TOC - all the recent franchises
(since SWT) were required to provide for smartcard ticketing.

Common practice. A little while ago one of the electrical chains
started spinning that they were good people for taking away old
electrical goods. The spin fails to mention that this is a
requirement under WEEE. While this has been badly handled by the
incompetents in the DTI as far as small operations are concerned
they have got it about right for big business.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
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http://www.silicon.com/publicsector/...9168037,00.htm

Of course if RFID chips are built into phones as a secondary function
that would be useful...

Could Bluetooth be used for this? A lot of phones have that.


tom

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Standing on the shoulders of Google

On 3 Aug, 16:40, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Paul Scott wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message
roups.com...
http://www.silicon.com/publicsector/...9168037,00.htm

Of course if RFID chips are built into phones as a secondary function
that would be useful...

Could Bluetooth be used for this? A lot of phones have that.

tom


I've heard that suggested and subsequently shot-down before - the
Bluetooth technology is apparently no good for such a data transaction.

Of course, the most practical solution might be to have a chip
embedded in your arm, as they do with many pets these days. Then, not
only is there no chance of you losing your ticket or leaving it at
home, but you also cannot fraudulently transfer it to anyone else.
Furthermore, if you ever got lost and insensible, they would know
where to return you. It could also be updated while you were having a
bath by passing the signal down the water pipe.

On 3 Aug, 17:20, W14_Fishbourne wrote:
Of course, the most practical solution might be to have a chip
embedded in your arm, as they do with many pets these days. Then, not
only is there no chance of you losing your ticket or leaving it at
home, but you also cannot fraudulently transfer it to anyone else.
Furthermore, if you ever got lost and insensible, they would know
where to return you. It could also be updated while you were having a
bath by passing the signal down the water pipe.

Sign me up.

One would hope that your serial number would be linked to the
government's national ID database (run by Capita perhaps), where
information would be shared with the US Dept. of Homeland Security as
well as Europol, for the purposes of combating terrorism, school
truancy and intoxicated high-jinx. After all, if you've got nothing to
hide...

"I am not a free man, I am a number"

In message . com, at
09:20:16 on Fri, 3 Aug 2007, W14_Fishbourne
remarked:
Of course, the most practical solution might be to have a chip
embedded in your arm, as they do with many pets these days.

I haven't got a pet embedded in my arm, but since yesterday there's some
sort of mosquito bite which is quite painful. Not recommended
--
Roland Perry

"W14_Fishbourne" wrote in message
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Of course, the most practical solution might be to have a chip
embedded in your arm, as they do with many pets these days. Then, not
only is there no chance of you losing your ticket or leaving it at
home, but you also cannot fraudulently transfer it to anyone else.
Furthermore, if you ever got lost and insensible, they would know
where to return you. It could also be updated while you were having a
bath by passing the signal down the water pipe.

I thought that they were trying out fingerprint technology. It would indeed
be interesting to walk through gates or onto a bus and only touch a read pad
as you go through with your thumb.

I wonder, actually, if it would be workable on a bus as your thumb does not
contain information the way that a SmartCard does.

wrote in message
k...
"W14_Fishbourne" wrote in message
ups.com...
Of course, the most practical solution might be to have a chip
embedded in your arm, as they do with many pets these days. Then, not
only is there no chance of you losing your ticket or leaving it at
home, but you also cannot fraudulently transfer it to anyone else.
Furthermore, if you ever got lost and insensible, they would know
where to return you. It could also be updated while you were having a
bath by passing the signal down the water pipe.

I thought that they were trying out fingerprint technology. It would
indeed be interesting to walk through gates or onto a bus and only touch a
read pad as you go through with your thumb.

I sliced my thumb today whilst peeling the spuds and currently have a
plaster on it and a bit of a scab on my thumb print. How would i get around
that?

"Tom Burton" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
k...
"W14_Fishbourne" wrote in message
ups.com...
Of course, the most practical solution might be to have a chip
embedded in your arm, as they do with many pets these days. Then, not
only is there no chance of you losing your ticket or leaving it at
home, but you also cannot fraudulently transfer it to anyone else.
Furthermore, if you ever got lost and insensible, they would know
where to return you. It could also be updated while you were having a
bath by passing the signal down the water pipe.

I thought that they were trying out fingerprint technology. It would
indeed be interesting to walk through gates or onto a bus and only touch
a read pad as you go through with your thumb.

I sliced my thumb today whilst peeling the spuds and currently have a
plaster on it and a bit of a scab on my thumb print. How would i get
around that?

You have both your thumbs (or the full set) scanned at the time of
registration to get around this.
Where I work we have an turnstile entry gate where you swipe your staffcard
and put an index finger (either hand) on a reader to gain access to the
building. This takes a few seconds to activate but it is an old setup. Once
inside your card opens any electronically locked doors to rooms which you
have permission to enter.
Not suggesting that people should be locked out of trains because they don't
have a ticket or, as happens sometimes, the door reader won't recognise a
valid card...
I can easily imagine the scenes at Waterloo in the evening rush hour!

We have a clock-in system that reads your right hand after you enter your
employee number. Didn't help my colleague when she had her arm wrapped up in
plaster and our boss had to manually enter her details onto the pay system
every day for a month.

Nick



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