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eastender ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : Sounds like more Livingstone lies to me. The blocks of flats which line the A41 from Marble Arch to Childs Hill all look pretty expensive to me. The most deprived areas tend to be pedestrianised and very quiet. That may be true in some cities but not so much in London, Hmmm. I'd say that London had a higher proportion of expensive areas on main arteries than other cities, with a higher proportion of the poorer population commuting in from outside. Most of the major arteries go through bloody well-off areas. |
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Adrian wrote:
Hmmm. I'd say that London had a higher proportion of expensive areas on main arteries than other cities, with a higher proportion of the poorer population commuting in from outside. Most of the major arteries go through bloody well-off areas. Really? I live in Hackney, which is mostly not very well off. Then look at Tower Hamlets, Islington, Newham, Haringey, Southwark, Lambeth, Brent... I'd say that the more of the traffic burden in terms of pollution, noise and accidents falls on poorer inner city areas, and children and older people who use the streets more are the most affected. E. |
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eastender ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : Hmmm. I'd say that London had a higher proportion of expensive areas on main arteries than other cities, with a higher proportion of the poorer population commuting in from outside. Most of the major arteries go through bloody well-off areas. Really? I live in Hackney, which is mostly not very well off. Then look at Tower Hamlets, Islington, Newham, Haringey, Southwark, Lambeth, Brent... Which doesn't contradict what I said. MOST of London's major arteries go through (or very close to) well-off areas. |
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Adrian wrote:
MOST of London's major arteries go through (or very close to) well-off areas. This does not mean though that well off people are affected as much as poorer people. I can't see that the Mile End Road is like the A316 through Richmond in terms of housing density, street population, location of primary schools and susceptibility. One health impact is stroke - as this study says: 'Our focus was on proximity to roads and stroke mortality, but a striking observation was the substantial association between socioeconomic deprivation and stroke mortality in middle-aged people.' http://stroke.ahajournals.org/cgi/co...aha;34/12/2776 E. |
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eastender ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : MOST of London's major arteries go through (or very close to) well-off areas. This does not mean though that well off people are affected as much as poorer people. I can't see that the Mile End Road is like the A316 through Richmond in terms of housing density, street population, location of primary schools and susceptibility. Where did I say that? I was merely pointing out that your original assertion, People who take taxis are less likely to be those affected by living near heavy traffic. Message-ID: was incorrect. They're probably no more nor less likely. In that respect, London's geography and demographics are a great leveller. |
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On 31 Aug, 10:52, Adrian wrote:
I was merely pointing out that your original assertion, People who take taxis are less likely to be those affected by living near heavy traffic. Message-ID: was incorrect. They're probably no more nor less likely. In that respect, London's geography and demographics are a great leveller. But the data, as collated by people who actually know What The Hell They're Talking About, shows that people who are poor in London are more likely to be affected by living near heavy traffic than people who are wealthy. Unless you're proposing a radically counter-intuitive theory about the demographics of taxi useage, that strongly suggests that the original assertion was correct and your 'correction' was not. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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Adrian wrote:
I was merely pointing out that your original assertion, People who take taxis are less likely to be those affected by living near heavy traffic. Message-ID: was incorrect. They're probably no more nor less likely. In that respect, London's geography and demographics are a great leveller. Well, if you can provide data that shows that people who use taxis are just as likely to be poor people who say live near the Mile End Road, then you have a point. Otherwise, I'm afraid you don't. E. |
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eastender ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : I was merely pointing out that your original assertion, People who take taxis are less likely to be those affected by living near heavy traffic. Message-ID: was incorrect. They're probably no more nor less likely. In that respect, London's geography and demographics are a great leveller. Well, if you can provide data that shows that people who use taxis are just as likely to be poor people who say live near the Mile End Road, then you have a point. Otherwise, I'm afraid you don't. **** me, but you really do have a problem with comprehension, don't you? |
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Adrian wrote:
**** me, but you really do have a problem with comprehension, don't you? Well, if I've understood you correctly, you are indeed f**ked on this one. E. |
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eastender ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : **** me, but you really do have a problem with comprehension, don't you? Well, if I've understood you correctly, you are indeed f**ked on this one. And therein lies the problem. You clearly DON'T understand me correctly, because you have an axe to grind. Your original claim was that a lower proportion of those using taxis would be likely to be affected than the population at general. I don't believe that is so, and repeated claims (of the blindingly obvious fact) that more people are poor than rich doesn't come close to justifying your assertion. |
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