Adrian wrote:

Want to bet?

I was at a friend's flat in Paddington last night. As we arrived, he was
just getting out of the "black bus" he'd caught home from work. His
(extremely nice and far from cheap) flat has a large balcony overlooking
the A40. The Edgware Rd is barely 300yds away.

Well, that's a sample of one. Keep going and you might have something of
statistical significance.

E.

eastender ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Want to bet?

I was at a friend's flat in Paddington last night. As we arrived, he was
just getting out of the "black bus" he'd caught home from work. His
(extremely nice and far from cheap) flat has a large balcony overlooking
the A40. The Edgware Rd is barely 300yds away.

Well, that's a sample of one. Keep going and you might have something of
statistical significance.

There's about 150 flats in that building alone. One of the other flats on
the market at the mo for £2.6m.

Do you really think everywhere in Central London is a dirt-cheap hovel?

Adrian wrote:

Do you really think everywhere in Central London is a dirt-cheap hovel?

Did you not see the words 'less likely' in what I said?

'Disadvantaged urban areas tend to be characterised by high traffic volume,
leading to increased levels of air and noise pollution and higher rates of
road traffic accidents without the benefits of access to private transport.'

http://www.archive.official-document.../ih/part2d.htm

E.

eastender ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Do you really think everywhere in Central London is a dirt-cheap
hovel?

Did you not see the words 'less likely' in what I said?

'Disadvantaged urban areas tend to be characterised by high traffic
volume, leading to increased levels of air and noise pollution and
higher rates of road traffic accidents without the benefits of access
to private transport.'

I'm sure that is the case, nationally.

However you can't extrapolate from that to the (unusual) case of Central
London - the fact is that there are plenty of affluent people in London who
also live on very busy truck routes. I'm not sure why you want to turn it
into a class-war issue, but if that floats your boat, go right ahead.

Adrian wrote:

I'm not sure why you want to turn it
into a class-war issue, but if that floats your boat, go right ahead.

No, just interested in the facts.

'Areas of London with low air quality, high levels of noise pollution and
deficiencies in green space closely match those with the highest levels of
deprivation.'

www.london.gov.uk/mayor/health/ docs/finalissuesforlondon2007.pdf

E.

eastender wrote:
Adrian wrote:

I'm not sure why you want to turn it
into a class-war issue, but if that floats your boat, go right ahead.

No, just interested in the facts.

'Areas of London with low air quality, high levels of noise pollution
and deficiencies in green space closely match those with the highest
levels of deprivation.'

www.london.gov.uk/mayor/health/ docs/finalissuesforlondon2007.pdf

Sounds like more Livingstone lies to me. The blocks of flats which line the
A41 from Marble Arch to Childs Hill all look pretty expensive to me. The
most deprived areas tend to be pedestrianised and very quiet.

John Rowland wrote:

Sounds like more Livingstone lies to me. The blocks of flats which line the
A41 from Marble Arch to Childs Hill all look pretty expensive to me. The
most deprived areas tend to be pedestrianised and very quiet.

That may be true in some cities but not so much in London, Bear in mind too
that children are particularly affected by pollution, and many primary schools
and routes to school in the inner city are on or near main roads.

This report matched social deprivation with air pollution, finding a
correlation in London but not Glasgow:

"The increase in deprivation with increasing air pollution is clearer for
London and Belfast. For Glasgow the opposite pattern is evident, with a
slight decrease in air concentration with increasing deprivation. This is
likely to be owing to a different geography of deprivation in Glasgow compared
with the other cities, possibly because of large peripheral housing estates
built as part of city centre slum clearance schemes."

http://www.airquality.co.uk/archive/reports/cat09/aeat-r-env-0241.pdfhttp://www.airquality.co.uk/archive/...r-env-0241.pdf

By and large, poorer people do tend to suffer from factors that affect their
health more -regarding roads, accidents certainly so.

E.