On Sep 26, 6:25 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
So to test an example - Highbury and Islington should be able to sell a
GNER "Loony Woony Toony" [1] ticket to Newcastle upon Tyne because you
can catch a FCC train at Highbury and then eventually change on a GNER
service at Stevenage or Peterborough?

Why not? I'm sure you would have no hassle buying out-of-town tickets
up the road at Drayton Park or Essex Road, and I'm sure people
regularly do.

It is going to be very interesting to see what happens under the
Overground set up - I imagine that current TOC locations will see no
change but what will happen at "transferred to LU control" stations like
Kew Gardens or Queens Park I do not know. I imagine London Travelwatch
are already on the warpath after their previous campaign about
Stratford.

Harrow & Wealdstone will be LUL and have direct trains to Birmingham
(and potentially Crewe in future), which should be interesting. Plus I
was surprised to see the new Goblin ticket machines have full NR
software. I wonder if it'll last.

U

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:05:56 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

Liverpool St struggled to sell me a one day PlusBus
ticket for Colchester earlier this year (on top of a normal return
ticket) - this despite the window in question having a dispenser of
PlusBus leaflets on it.

That's because the damned things are too complicated to issue and need
to be done as an add-on.

The solution is to just add them as origins and destinations and allow
a normal ticket to be sold for them. That might mean offering
Railcard discounts, which could be compensated for by increasing the
non-Railcard fare a bit so the overall take would still be the same.

Neil

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Hi,

What are people's experiences buying unusual or long distance or
Railcard-discounted tickets at NR stations where the ticket office is
run by LUL? Also, any luck getting Railcard-discounted Day Travelcards
at ordinary LUL stations?


I would imagine anything to do with Day Travelcards is strictly off
limits to a LU station, as they have been binned in favour of Oyster Pre
Pay daily capping surely? So a railcard discount is academic...

You can still buy paper One Day Travelcards from LUL stations and until
every NR station in London is equipped for Oyster they will have to
continue selling them.


Then the only reason I have an Oyster card at all is because some prat in an
LU ticket office at Baker St told me last year they were no longer selling
day travelcards, and if I wanted one I'd have to go to a NR station...

Maybe he'd been too taken in by the Oyster training course...

Paul

In message om,
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Certain LUL stations refuse to even though they are shared. For
example Highbury and Islington wont sell you any railcard discounted
tickets.

I've bought discounted tickets for FCC stations both at H&I and at
Moorgate, so I don't buy the "any" statement. Where were you going?
(picking going with PaulC's theme).


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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:03:10 -0700, Mr Thant wrote:

In such cases why would
one be able to buy a unusual (whatever one of those is) or long distance
ticket?

unusual = anything other than "full price single (or day return) from
this station to X", where X is a nearby station.

They can also handle Cheap Day Singles and Returns.

Paul Corfield wrote:

I would also comment that I would not trust the "One" ticket office at
Walthamstow Central to sell me anything more complicated than a ticket
to Liverpool St. If I want something complex (i.e. any ticket I would
buy as I have privilege facilities and cannot book on line) I go to a
big station with a decent travel centre and try to book in advance as
the risk of a 30 minute queue when I have 10 minutes to catch a train is
far too great. Liverpool St struggled to sell me a one day PlusBus
ticket for Colchester earlier this year (on top of a normal return
ticket) - this despite the window in question having a dispenser of
PlusBus leaflets on it.

In days of yore (when APTIS still reigned supreme), I wouldn't trust my
local "one" (ex-WAGN) Ticket Office to issue anything more complex than
an undiscounted single or return to somewhere on their "Top 24" list!

I bought an NSE-discounted Travelcard there once, and the clerk issued
it as a Y-P one, and refused to reissue it correctly, saying "Well the
discount's the same, so it's okay", or words to that effect!

On the subject of PlusBus, ATOC have *finally* created a new ticket type
for the add-ons. (Which used to be variously issued as "Bus Day Single",
"Bus Day Return" or "Bus Period Return"). The ticket type in question is
"PlusBus Day", and has a ticket type code of PBD.

Tickets should be issued from the appropriate railhead to the PlusBus
destination (full list in Section B1 of the Rail Links Manual, or check
www.plusbus.info).

Cheers,

Barry

On 26 Sep, 22:03, Paul G wrote:
In message om,
writes
[snip]

Certain LUL stations refuse to even though they are shared. For
example Highbury and Islington wont sell you any railcard discounted
tickets.

I've bought discounted tickets for FCC stations both at H&I and at
Moorgate, so I don't buy the "any" statement. Where were you going?
(picking going with PaulC's theme).

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Typing from Barking


I was travelling from H & I to West Hampstead.
The ticket office attendant refused to sell me a railcard discounted
ticket on a Saturday.
I was forced to use the tube instead.....
What a sorry situation.

Paul Corfield wrote:

So to test an example - Highbury and Islington should be able to sell a
GNER "Loony Woony Toony" [1] ticket to Newcastle upon Tyne because you
can catch a FCC train at Highbury and then eventually change on a GNER
service at Stevenage or Peterborough?

Or Kentish Town should be able sell you a ticket to Kettering because
you can change from FCC to Midland Mainline at Luton?

I often make medium distance business-related trips with little
notice, and two sensible routes from my office out of London are
Northern Line to Kentish Town and thence by NR, or Victoria Line to
Tottenham Hale or Seven Sisters and thence by NR. I have certainly
wanted to do journeys like your second example -- and had to rebook at
Luton or Bedford.

It does seem to me -- a fairly knowledgeable traveller -- that the
availability is rather random. Tottenham Hale in particular has both
LU and NR ticket offices, but often the NR one is closed and you are
directed to the LU one, which cannot, as you say, issue very many
types of ticket. On the other hand, I discovered recently that Warren
Street tube station can issue a ticket to Stansted Airport.

We often accommodate visitors from continental Europe or the USA. The
former are often used to wholly integrated transport systems and the
latter are unaccustomed to public transport, and both find the London/
UK system rather baffling. In my experience in other places, it is
unusual to be able to buy a ticket from A to B, but not from B to A,
and I think we lead the world in the complexity of our ticketing
options.

I quite agree that you don't want people making lengthy transactions
at a station with a single LU ticket window, but a return to Derby
from Kentish Town doesn't seem to me to be unreasonable, or
necessarily to take much longer to issue than a tube ticket.

Peter CS

On Sep 27, 10:59 am, wrote:
I often make medium distance business-related trips with little
notice, and two sensible routes from my office out of London are
Northern Line to Kentish Town and thence by NR, or Victoria Line to
Tottenham Hale or Seven Sisters and thence by NR.

Oddly, Seven Sisters has a One ticket machine in the subway to the NR
platforms (ie behind the barriers). Great for people like you arriving
by tube, but if it's your local station you're stuck with what LUL
will sell you (hence my curiosity about what that is).

U

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Barry Salter wrote:

I bought an NSE-discounted Travelcard there once, and the clerk issued
it as a Y-P one, and refused to reissue it correctly, saying "Well the
discount's the same, so it's okay", or words to that effect!

So what did you do?
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