John B wrote:

(I'm assuming the sensible plan of referring to the whole CTRL
Domestic service as Javelin, rather than merely the month of Olympic
shuttles, is ultimately adopted).

I can see it happening by default and confusion. After all, a large
number out 10 cats don't know the difference between Eurostar and
Eurotunnel after 13-odd years.

Whoever owns the Javelin brand will need the same lawyers as the people
who make portakabins or software for photoshopping things.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In message , Paul Scott
writes

They could make Stratford a request stop for Eurostars... ;-)

I've often wondered whether St Pancras, let alone Stratford, was a wise
decision by Eurostar. Whenever I've travelled on the service, it has
seemed that an awful lot of passengers prefer the convenience of
Waterloo because they are

1. Wealthy retired from SW London off for a short break.

2. Businessmen and civil servants from along the Thames Valley.

3. Short-stay French tourists who appreciate alighting on the South Bank
and within walking distance of numerous tourist attractions.

Whether St Pancras will have any of the same appeal will remain to be
seen. Stratford, if it doesn't become a request stop (: might well
end up like Ashford once the Olympics have finished their brief
appearance.
--
Paul Terry

Paul Terry said:
I've often wondered whether St Pancras, let alone Stratford, was a
wise
decision by Eurostar. .........an awful lot of passengers prefer the
convenience of
Waterloo because they are
1. Wealthy retired from SW London off for a short break.
2. 2. Businessmen and civil servants from along the Thames Valley.
3. 3. Short-stay French tourists who appreciate alighting on the South
Bank
and within walking distance of numerous tourist attractions.
Whether St Pancras will have any of the same appeal will remain to be
seen.
I agree that Waterloo is a better station for the service.
I don't think Eurostar chose St Pancras, if I remember there were 3
routes and politicians decided on the route through Stratford hoping
it would help regenerate the area.
When Eurostar first started, it was to have a High-speed line through
Lewisham and into Waterloo, some if it in tunnel. However some
Lewisham local residence objected about possible noise from the trains
so the service got started with a normal speed line. The Lewisham High
speed line never got built.
Eurostar did consider continuing to use Waterloo after St Pancras
opened but decided it would be too expensive to serve 2 central London
stations.
I agree that Waterloo is a much better station to run the service
from, (although some French do not like the name!).
Waterloo is good for tourist attractions, and the station was purpose
built for Eurostar trains, unlike St Pancras, which was built for
steam trains.
I doubt if Stratford will be used much, if at all, by Eurostar
trains.No one wants to get on a High speed intercity train and have it
stop a few minutes after starting its journey. I think the station was
put there for political reasons as an incitement to get the line built
though East London. Part of Stratford's regeneration.
The time cut on the journey is not much considering all the expense
involved in building the line and converting St Pancras station.
I think they should have converted the line into Waterloo to overhead
electric and not third rail. (This would save train maintenance costs,
and avoid the slow down spot where the train changes current). Try to
make it as fast as possible and built additional track where space
allowed.
Too late now.
I shall be sorry to lose the Waterloo service.

John

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:56:26 -0700, Boltar
wrote:

On Oct 10, 2:54 pm, John B wrote:
E*s are likely to begin to stop - dependent on demand, timetabling and
the success of Ebbsfleet -once the surrounding area actually contains
buildings and people, and once the site is accessible by foot and
road.

Can't see that being too popular. The service has been speeded up with
a new line only to be slowed down again with an extra station stop.
Seems a bit farcical to me anyway having an international service
calling at a station only 4 miles from where it started (could you
ever imagine the french building a new TGV stop in the Paris
suburbs?). Best left to the local services.

B2003

Wasn't it originally concieved as a stop for NoL Eurostars (which, of
course never happened)?

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:47:36 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote:

In message , Paul Scott
writes

They could make Stratford a request stop for Eurostars... ;-)

I've often wondered whether St Pancras, let alone Stratford, was a wise
decision by Eurostar. Whenever I've travelled on the service, it has
seemed that an awful lot of passengers prefer the convenience of
Waterloo because they are

1. Wealthy retired from SW London off for a short break.

2. Businessmen and civil servants from along the Thames Valley.

Maybe because it opens up better journey opportunities for those of us
who don't live in SW London or the Thames Valley? Now you've got the
stations serving The West Midlands, East Midlands, North West,
Yorkshire, North East and Scotland all within 500m of the Eurostar
terminus.

3. Short-stay French tourists who appreciate alighting on the South Bank
and within walking distance of numerous tourist attractions.

Whether St Pancras will have any of the same appeal will remain to be
seen. Stratford, if it doesn't become a request stop (: might well
end up like Ashford once the Olympics have finished their brief
appearance.

You may well be right.

On 10 Oct, 18:11, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, wrote:
On Oct 10, 2:04 pm, spindrift wrote:

Post substantiated fact/ wild unfounded rumours here please.

I heard it's because that's where Diana and Dodi are secretly living.

ITYF that the reason is that while Lord Lucan was digging out the station
box, he unearthed the Holy Grail (which has been long guarded by a line of
hackney carriage drivers descended from Joseph of Arimathea), and they're
still waiting for the boys at Rhydymwyn Valley to send down a train from
the S******** R****** to move it to Corsham for safe keeping.

That's why so much attention has been put into rail schemes around
Stratford of late, of course - it's nothing to do with this alleged
passenger demand (on the NLL and DLR? come off it!), it's a plan
masterminded by the masonic adepts of the Corporation of London to
construct a vast steel sigil to harness the Grail's occult power, focus it
on the London Omphalos in Mudchute [1], and thus immanentise the eschaton.
Why on earth do you think it's called Cross Rail?

At least, that's what it says on CULG.

tom

[1]http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=51.492658,-0.01385...

--
NO REAL THAN YOU ARE -- The Zandvoort Man

Oh Crikey !! Zoom out two or three notches and you'll see Ch**st's
face looking disapprovingly at you from the grass.
Baz

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:16:53 +0100, Arthur Figgis
wrote:

John B wrote:

(I'm assuming the sensible plan of referring to the whole CTRL
Domestic service as Javelin, rather than merely the month of Olympic
shuttles, is ultimately adopted).

I can see it happening by default and confusion. After all, a large
number out 10 cats don't know the difference between Eurostar and
Eurotunnel after 13-odd years.

Whoever owns the Javelin brand will need the same lawyers as the people
who make portakabins or software for photoshopping things.

That would be Jowett Cars, I presume?
--
Terry Harper
URL: http://www.btinternet.com/~terry.harper/

On 10 Oct, 23:33, Terry Harper wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:16:53 +0100, Arthur Figgis

wrote:
John B wrote:

(I'm assuming the sensible plan of referring to the whole CTRL
Domestic service as Javelin, rather than merely the month of Olympic
shuttles, is ultimately adopted).

I can see it happening by default and confusion. After all, a large
number out 10 cats don't know the difference between Eurostar and
Eurotunnel after 13-odd years.

Whoever owns the Javelin brand will need the same lawyers as the people
who make portakabins or software for photoshopping things.

That would be Jowett Cars, I presume?
--
Terry Harper
URL:http://www.btinternet.com/~terry.harper/

Nobody seems to have considered the fact that it may well hurt French
feelings to arrive in London at a station called "Waterloo".......

Some sensitivity, please.

spindrift wrote:
On 10 Oct, 23:33, Terry Harper wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:16:53 +0100, Arthur Figgis

wrote:
John B wrote:
(I'm assuming the sensible plan of referring to the whole CTRL
Domestic service as Javelin, rather than merely the month of Olympic
shuttles, is ultimately adopted).
I can see it happening by default and confusion. After all, a large
number out 10 cats don't know the difference between Eurostar and
Eurotunnel after 13-odd years.
Whoever owns the Javelin brand will need the same lawyers as the people
who make portakabins or software for photoshopping things.
That would be Jowett Cars, I presume?
--
Terry Harper
URL:http://www.btinternet.com/~terry.harper/

Nobody seems to have considered the fact that it may well hurt French
feelings to arrive in London at a station called "Waterloo".......

Some sensitivity, please.

Of course it was considered - and led to the suggestion that St Pancras
station should be renamed London Agincourt.



--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Marratxi wrote:

On 10 Oct, 18:11, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, wrote:
On Oct 10, 2:04 pm, spindrift wrote:

Post substantiated fact/ wild unfounded rumours here please.

I heard it's because that's where Diana and Dodi are secretly living.

ITYF that the reason is that while Lord Lucan was digging out the station
box, he unearthed the Holy Grail (which has been long guarded by a line of
hackney carriage drivers descended from Joseph of Arimathea), and they're
still waiting for the boys at Rhydymwyn Valley to send down a train from
the S******** R****** to move it to Corsham for safe keeping.

That's why so much attention has been put into rail schemes around
Stratford of late, of course - it's nothing to do with this alleged
passenger demand (on the NLL and DLR? come off it!), it's a plan
masterminded by the masonic adepts of the Corporation of London to
construct a vast steel sigil to harness the Grail's occult power, focus it
on the London Omphalos in Mudchute [1], and thus immanentise the eschaton.
Why on earth do you think it's called Cross Rail?

At least, that's what it says on CULG.

tom

[1]http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=51.492658,-0.01385...

Oh Crikey !! Zoom out two or three notches and you'll see Ch**st's face
looking disapprovingly at you from the grass.

Someone here's certainly a few notches out, and it's not me.

Oh no, wait, it is me. Sorry.

tom

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