On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:20:17 GMT, "Steve Dulieu"
wrote:


"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:03:48 GMT, "Steve Dulieu"
wrote:


"Richard J." wrote in message
.co.uk...
Steve Dulieu wrote:
Just in case any of those of us with TFL staff or nominee passes
missed it, an item appeared on the intranet today stating that from
SOT 11/11/07 all TFL staff and nominee passes will be valid on all
the bits of that we're nicking off Silverlink, WLL, NLL & GoBLin.
Planning my sight-seeing trip to the great wall of Shepherds Bush
even as I type:-)

What about the DC service from Euston to Watford Junction? Will your
pass
be valid all the way or only to the zone 6 boundary at Hatch End?

All the way to WJ the TFL wage slaves will not have to pay!

To be fair all TfL staff passes are already valid to Watford Junction so
it isn't an increase in validity.

The rest is very welcome indeed and I'm looking forward to using the
services more often and not having to queue to buy priv tickets at
Blackhorse Road!

And not only but also, sets a very nice precedent come the ELL...

I don't see that anyone has anything to be concerned about when it comes
to the ELLX. I think it will be automatic that staff pass validity is
extended over the routes.

In another place someone has posed the question concerning validity on
Southern's services on the WLL / NLL (Clapham - Harrow). That has not
been mentioned in the TfL announcement so the new validity may be
confined to Overground services.

If that's the case then any ELLX validity beyond the New Crosses would,
I assume, only be on Overground trains to Croydon / Crystal Palace.

The other final issue is whether anything is done to allow a wider set
of concessions for NR and TfL staff using the concept of the Oyster PTAC
card and reduced rate travel on services that are not free. When
Smartcards are extended to NR it would be easy to offer such a facility
as TfL has done on the LU network. Whether there will be an industry
appetite to provide a more generous concession (for joiners post 1996)
remains to be seen.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:19:56 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote in :
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:20:17 GMT, "Steve Dulieu"
wrote:
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message

The rest is very welcome indeed and I'm looking forward to using the
services more often and not having to queue to buy priv tickets at
Blackhorse Road!

And not only but also, sets a very nice precedent come the ELL...

I don't see that anyone has anything to be concerned about when it comes
to the ELLX. I think it will be automatic that staff pass validity is
extended over the routes.

Paul, you do realise that this comes over to the rest of the pax
as gloating?

Are you coming to the drinks on Thursday night?

--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. ] Room 40-1-B12, CERN

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:12:32 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:19:56 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote in :
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:20:17 GMT, "Steve Dulieu"
wrote:
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message

The rest is very welcome indeed and I'm looking forward to using the
services more often and not having to queue to buy priv tickets at
Blackhorse Road!

And not only but also, sets a very nice precedent come the ELL...

I don't see that anyone has anything to be concerned about when it comes
to the ELLX. I think it will be automatic that staff pass validity is
extended over the routes.

Paul, you do realise that this comes over to the rest of the pax
as gloating?

I didn't and it wasn't my intention.

Are you coming to the drinks on Thursday night?

No idea.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On 13 Oct, 19:56, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:12:32 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"

wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:19:56 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote::

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:20:17 GMT, "Steve Dulieu"
wrote:

And not only but also, sets a very nice precedent come the ELL...

I don't see that anyone has anything to be concerned about when it comes
to the ELLX. I think it will be automatic that staff pass validity is
extended over the routes.

Paul, you do realise that this comes over to the rest of the pax
as gloating?

I didn't and it wasn't my intention.


As one of "the rest of the pax" I'll just say that it doesn't sound
like gloating to me. I think it's fair enough that those who work for
a transport organisation to get free travel on that organisation's
services as a perk of the job, just as I'd expect someone who works
for a telecoms company to get a reduced rate subscription or someone
who works for a retailer to get discounts etc.

"Mizter T" wrote in message
oups.com...

As one of "the rest of the pax" I'll just say that it doesn't sound
like gloating to me. I think it's fair enough that those who work for
a transport organisation to get free travel on that organisation's
services as a perk of the job, just as I'd expect someone who works
for a telecoms company to get a reduced rate subscription or someone
who works for a retailer to get discounts etc.

Free ... discount ... discount

Doesn't seem to be the same to me.

Not that I mind TfL staff travelling free; compared to the cost of the
Oyster bribery fares it's a raindrop in the ocean of subsidy of London's
public transport.

Dave.

Dave Liney wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message
oups.com...

As one of "the rest of the pax" I'll just say that it doesn't sound
like gloating to me. I think it's fair enough that those who work
for a transport organisation to get free travel on that
organisation's services as a perk of the job, just as I'd expect
someone who works for a telecoms company to get a reduced rate
subscription or someone who works for a retailer to get discounts
etc.

Free ... discount ... discount

Doesn't seem to be the same to me.

Not that I mind TfL staff travelling free; compared to the cost of
the Oyster bribery fares it's a raindrop in the ocean of subsidy of
London's public transport.

What are you talking about? London has probably the least subsidised
public transport of any comparable capital city.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Richard J." wrote in message
. uk...
Dave Liney wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message
oups.com...

As one of "the rest of the pax" I'll just say that it doesn't sound
like gloating to me. I think it's fair enough that those who work
for a transport organisation to get free travel on that
organisation's services as a perk of the job, just as I'd expect
someone who works for a telecoms company to get a reduced rate
subscription or someone who works for a retailer to get discounts
etc.

Free ... discount ... discount

Doesn't seem to be the same to me.

Not that I mind TfL staff travelling free; compared to the cost of
the Oyster bribery fares it's a raindrop in the ocean of subsidy of
London's public transport.

What are you talking about? London has probably the least subsidised
public transport of any comparable capital city.

Sorry. I thought it was obvious that I was talking about the Oyster fares
being so much lower than non-Oyster fares for the same journey. Regardless
of the relative level of subsidy it will have an impact on the actual
amount. If the Oyster discount were tens of pence it could be seen as a
discount for a less staff-intensive and reusable ticket but, with it being
60% for Z1 tickets and children's prices set where the Oyster daily cap is
actually less than a single cash journey, it looks like a tax on the
ignorant. Not allowing one day travelcards to be loaded on Oyster also
knocks out the argument that it helps reduce the number of paper tickets.

Now it could be that Ken wanted to make TfL fares that much cheaper and
Oyster gave him a vehicle to do it and still maintain that he hasn't for
political reasons. However with Oyster obviously being successful (it could
hardly be otherwise with the pricing differential) I think it is time for
cash fares to start heading down towards, though not reaching, Oyster fares.

And to return to the original thread subject is free travel for railway
employees treated as a benefit in kind by the Inland Revenue?

Dave.

Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:19:56 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote in
:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:20:17 GMT, "Steve Dulieu"
wrote:
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message

The rest is very welcome indeed and I'm looking forward to using
the services more often and not having to queue to buy priv
tickets at Blackhorse Road!

And not only but also, sets a very nice precedent come the ELL...

I don't see that anyone has anything to be concerned about when it
comes to the ELLX. I think it will be automatic that staff pass
validity is extended over the routes.

Paul, you do realise that this comes over to the rest of the pax
as gloating?

Are you coming to the drinks on Thursday night?

Are we all invited?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:18:05 GMT, Richard J.
wrote in :
Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:

Are you coming to the drinks on Thursday night?

Are we all invited?

If you read the right newsgroup...

--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. ] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:18:05 GMT, Richard J.
wrote in
:
Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:

Paul, you do realise that this comes over to the rest
of the pax as gloating?

Are you coming to the drinks on Thursday night?

Are we all invited?

If you read the right newsgroup...

Ivan, you do realise that this comes over to readers of this newsgroup
as gloating?

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)