On 28 Oct, 17:57, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Matthew Dickinson" wrote in message

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Tfl have released a new tube map with London Overground on..

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/colourmap.pdf

Heathrow Terminal 5m Langdon Park, Wood Lane and Shepherds Bush (LO)
appear as under construction.

LO as in London Overground - shouldn't it be 'LOL' cos of the useless
platforms g...

Hatch End to Watford Junction are depicted as outside the zones (not
even in A-D). "Special Fares Apply"

There's been a huge amount of debate about TfL fares on the 'Overground' but
presumably as it is also still part of the national rail network as well,
unchanged [1]) rail fares seem to be available to/from the transferred
stations.

I guess the 'rail only zonal fares' as announced in the NR fare changes Jan
07 are still valid?

[1] based on them still showing up in NR's online journey planner with no
apparent fare changes after 9 Nov...

Paul S

These maps are on the new ticket machines TfL are installing at London
Overground stations
Hampstead Heath appears still to be in Zone 3 !
I thought that TfL was going to bring this station back into Zone 2
when London Overground starts next month

Neil

In article . com,
(neil nerva) wrote:

These maps are on the new ticket machines TfL are installing at London
Overground stations
Hampstead Heath appears still to be in Zone 3 !
I thought that TfL was going to bring this station back into Zone 2
when London Overground starts next month

Yes, I'd spotted that and was asking myself the same question!

Good to hear from you, Neil. Long time no see!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
(neil nerva) wrote:

These maps are on the new ticket machines TfL are installing at London
Overground stations
Hampstead Heath appears still to be in Zone 3 !
I thought that TfL was going to bring this station back into Zone 2
when London Overground starts next month

Yes, I'd spotted that and was asking myself the same question!


I've an idea we've talked round this a bit in various poster's comments.
Perhaps it'll change in January with the next routine NR fares changes, and
so might the northern bit of the DC lines. It would make sense if 'LO' is
considered (as on NR's site) one of the TOCs and changes will affect NR
fares from stations outside the London fare zones (the ones TfL call the TfL
fare zones)...

Paul S

I go through Watford junction station most work days. They have
installed Oyster readers (up to the silverlink county platforms),
however they do not work yet. Looks like Oyster will be used as far as
Watford junction. I expect that the oyster cards will be only valid on
LO services not London Midland (the new TOC that takes over from
Silverlink and Central). This will cause lots of ticket inspectors to
rub their hands in glee.

Most people come to Watford on a travel card (Met, junction and town)
and wonder why their travel card/oyster doesn't work. It is horrid to
see someone rubbing their card on the barrier and the barrier guard
swooping down for the £20+ fine.

Kris

On Oct 28, 10:21 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message

...

In article . com,
(neil nerva) wrote:

These maps are on the new ticket machines TfL are installing at London
Overground stations
Hampstead Heath appears still to be in Zone 3 !
I thought that TfL was going to bring this station back into Zone 2
when London Overground starts next month

Yes, I'd spotted that and was asking myself the same question!

I've an idea we've talked round this a bit in various poster's comments.
Perhaps it'll change in January with the next routine NR fares changes, and
so might the northern bit of the DC lines. It would make sense if 'LO' is
considered (as on NR's site) one of the TOCs and changes will affect NR
fares from stations outside the London fare zones (the ones TfL call the TfL
fare zones)...

Paul S

wrote in message
oups.com...
I go through Watford junction station most work days. They have
installed Oyster readers (up to the silverlink county platforms),
however they do not work yet. Looks like Oyster will be used as far as
Watford junction. I expect that the oyster cards will be only valid on
LO services not London Midland (the new TOC that takes over from
Silverlink and Central). This will cause lots of ticket inspectors to
rub their hands in glee.


There has been a huge amount of discussion on this already, (most recently
in the thread about TfL staff pass validity - started 12 Oct) and it was
generally believed that London Midland will continue accepting Oyster, at
least at the stations where it is already available on Silverlink County -
what happens at WJ is awaited with interest. Also the key date in all this
is the day NR fares change, in January, because Silverlink Metro fares use
rail pricing at the moment, not LU...

Paul

On Oct 29, 9:20 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...
I go through Watford junction station most work days. They have
installed Oyster readers (up to the silverlink county platforms),
however they do not work yet. Looks like Oyster will be used as far as
Watford junction. I expect that the oyster cards will be only valid on
LO services not London Midland (the new TOC that takes over from
Silverlink and Central). This will cause lots of ticket inspectors to
rub their hands in glee.



There has been a huge amount of discussion on this already, (most recently
in the thread about TfL staff pass validity - started 12 Oct) and it was
generally believed that London Midland will continue accepting Oyster, at
least at the stations where it is already available on Silverlink County -
what happens at WJ is awaited with interest. Also the key date in all this
is the day NR fares change, in January, because Silverlink Metro fares use
rail pricing at the moment, not LU...

Paul

I have got an e-mail from LU with the new fares on and it states that
the zones are now 1-9, rather than 1-D.

"chunky munky" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Oct 29, 9:20 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

There has been a huge amount of discussion on this already, (most
recently
in the thread about TfL staff pass validity - started 12 Oct) and it was
generally believed that London Midland will continue accepting Oyster, at
least at the stations where it is already available on Silverlink
County -
what happens at WJ is awaited with interest. Also the key date in all
this
is the day NR fares change, in January, because Silverlink Metro fares
use
rail pricing at the moment, not LU...

Paul

I have got an e-mail from LU with the new fares on and it states that
the zones are now 1-9, rather than 1-D.

That'll help the cause of those who'd like to extend Pre Pay nationwide a
bit...

Mind I'm not going to be best pleased if they deduct £500 on entry, on the
off chance I don't touch out before I get to Thurso...

Paul

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:01:29 -0700, chunky munky
wrote:

I have got an e-mail from LU with the new fares on and it states that
the zones are now 1-9, rather than 1-D.

So only three zones outside the normal 6 instead of the previous 4?
Interesting.

On 30 Oct, 18:01, chunky munky wrote:

(snip)

I have got an e-mail from LU with the new fares on and it states that
the zones are now 1-9, rather than 1-D.

I presume (perhaps wrongly) that you received a mass-recipient list
email as opposed to a personal one. May I ask whether it was a
customer facing email, an internal email or an email intended for
'stakeholders'?