On 13 Nov, 13:41, Mizter T wrote:
On 13 Nov, 12:32, Jamie Thompson wrote:



On Nov 13, 11:45 am, wrote:

On Nov 13, 11:27 am, Mizter T wrote:

(snip)

If anyone does have any knowledge of this upcoming change to zones 7-9
please do feel free to share it!

Quite.

Jonn

When I bought my ticket from Harrow & Wealdstone this morning, there
was a tube map stuck to the top of the machine with zones 7, 8 and 9
shown on it. It was relatively small though, and there was a queue, so
all I managed to see was what was already confirmed, namely that Hatch
End is in 6, Carpenders Park in 7, Bushey and Watford HS in 8, and
Watford Junction in 9. I still think it's almost criminal that zone 6
is so narrow around those parts...Carpenders Park should be in 6, if
indeed not Bushey as Moor Park and West Ruislip somehow manage it.

I'll see if I can spot anything else of use this evening.

Perhaps I haven't been following things closely enough but I wasn't
aware that the zonal changes up to Watford Junction had in fact been
confirmed - though this map you've seen would appear to confirm it.

That'd appear to put paid to my elaborate fantasy plan of having
lettered zone suffixes (zone 9M, 7G and so on - described upthread)!

Zones 7-9 thus appear to be a new device so as to include the Watford
Junction line into the zonal system - so whilst the original
speculation that it might be included in zone A isn't accurate, it
will join the zonal system albeit in a slightly different manner.

snip

Ok, it would seem that I made a minor error, zone 9 is indeed shown on
the map, but only Chalfont & Latimer resides in it. Watford junction
now has the dubious honour of being the new owner of Hatch End's
former special orange-outlined box stating that special fares apply,
though Watford High St. definitely lives in zone 8. Only had a quick
glance again though, a rather sultry looking LO employee was standing
in front of said machine overseeing the heaving crowds coming through
the newly-active barriers (Hmm. roughly 1/3 of a 8-car trainload of
people heaving down steep steps to a barrier line 1/2 a metre from the
bottom of said stairs. I suspect there'll be trouble soon enough if
they don't extend the ticket hall to give more space.....

Typing this post does raise the question of what zone Chesham and
Amersham are in if not 9 though as I can't remember at all...can't say
I noticed a zone 10.

On 13 Nov, 12:32, Jamie Thompson wrote:



On Nov 13, 11:45 am, wrote:

On Nov 13, 11:27 am, Mizter T wrote:

(snip)

If anyone does have any knowledge of this upcoming change to zones 7-9
please do feel free to share it!

Quite.

Jonn

When I bought my ticket from Harrow & Wealdstone this morning, there
was a tube map stuck to the top of the machine with zones 7, 8 and 9
shown on it. It was relatively small though, and there was a queue, so
all I managed to see was what was already confirmed, namely that Hatch
End is in 6, Carpenders Park in 7, Bushey and Watford HS in 8, and
Watford Junction in 9. I still think it's almost criminal that zone 6
is so narrow around those parts...Carpenders Park should be in 6, if
indeed not Bushey as Moor Park and West Ruislip somehow manage it.

I'll see if I can spot anything else of use this evening.

Perhaps I haven't been following things closely enough but I wasn't
aware that the zonal changes up to Watford Junction had in fact been
confirmed - though this map you've seen would appear to confirm it.

That'd appear to put paid to my elaborate fantasy plan of having
lettered zone suffixes (zone 9M, 7G and so on - described upthread)!

Zones 7-9 thus appear to be a new device so as to include the Watford
Junction line into the zonal system - so whilst the original
speculation that it might be included in zone A isn't accurate, it
will join the zonal system albeit in a slightly different manner.

snip

Ok, it would seem that I made a minor error, zone 9 is indeed shown on
the map, but only Amersham & Chesham reside in it. Watford junction
now has the dubious honour of being the new owner of Hatch End's
former special orange-outlined box stating that special fares apply,
though Bushey & Watford High St. definitely live in zone 8, along with
Chalfont & Latimer. Only had a quick
glance again though, a rather sultry looking LO employee was standing
in front of said machine overseeing the heaving crowds coming through
the newly-active barriers (Hmm. roughly 1/3 of a 8-car trainload of
people heaving down steep steps to a barrier line 1/2 a metre from the
bottom of said stairs. I suspect there'll be trouble soon enough if
they don't extend the ticket hall to give more space.....

I guess the boundaries make sense when you consider the Croxley link,
as Moor Park to Ascot Road will be in zone 7/A, and presumably Watford
West will be in 8/B along with Watford High St.

On Nov 14, 10:55 am, Jamie Thompson wrote:

snip

Ok, it would seem that I made a minor error, zone 9 is indeed shown on
the map, but only Amersham & Chesham reside in it. Watford junction
now has the dubious honour of being the new owner of Hatch End's
former special orange-outlined box stating that special fares apply,
though Bushey & Watford High St. definitely live in zone 8, along with
Chalfont & Latimer. Only had a quick
glance again though, a rather sultry looking LO employee was standing
in front of said machine overseeing the heaving crowds coming through
the newly-active barriers (Hmm. roughly 1/3 of a 8-car trainload of
people heaving down steep steps to a barrier line 1/2 a metre from the
bottom of said stairs. I suspect there'll be trouble soon enough if
they don't extend the ticket hall to give more space.....


I've noticed that too, part of the problem appears to be that the
barriers are new and people are not ready for them. The other part of
the problem is that there are only four 'normal' gates (plus the wide
gate) and even in the middle of the evening peak, it was two gates in
and two out, with the two out gates being on the ticket office (left
hand side when leaving) side and so clashing with the people buying
tickets to get in. They really need to have three out and one in
during the evening peak and to keep the gates away from the ticket
window as the exit ones.

However, the crowding at Harrow is nothing compared to the current
chaos at Euston, where the one-way system for entry to the LU station
sends everyone from the platforms 8-11 up onto the main concourse, in
order to queue across most of it before finally going down a single
escalator plus narrow staircase. Whilst all the passengers from the LU
station come out of the entrance by Platforms 8 - 11 and up the same
slope to the concourse.

Now, I understand that they are worried about overcrowding during the
refurbishment work, but they don't seem to have thought things through
very well. Surely it is better to keep the commuters flowing. Have the
one way system operating in the opposite direction, to above, in the
morning, so that a large percentage of the mainline customers can go
where they want (to or from platforms 8-11) without blocking up the
concourse.