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On 17 Nov, 18:27, "Paul Scott" wrote:
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On 17 Nov, 16:03, W14_Fishbourne wrote:
On Nov 17, 3:26 pm, burkey wrote:

"Hopefully now people will get the savings and service that they
deserve."

I fear that Ms Ward is mistaken if she thinks that the availability of
Oyster PAYG from Watford Junction will mean lower fares. PAYG fares
will be the same as for paper tickets from Watford Junction.

How will differential fares for London Midland and London Overground
journeys be achieved?

They don't need to be differential fares, they weren't previously with
Silverlink were they?

They are 'special fares' because they are outside the normal ' zones'. A
bit
like beyond Moor Park on the Met, but so far a bit of a secret, unless you
use the single fares finder. Nothing appears to have been published yet
about how capping will operate, either.

Paul S

They do need to be differential fare if the statement that PAYG =
Paper Ticket is true

The single fare finder says:

London Euston [London Overground] to Watford Junction

Oyster single fare
£5.50 Monday to Friday from 0700 and before 1900.
£3.00 At all other times including public holidays.

Cash single fare
Special cash fares apply to selected London Overground journeys.

The NR single fare for the same journey is £7.20 (first class is
£11.00).
The NR return fare is £7.40, standard day return is £11.70.

An off-peak single is quite different from the current cash single
fare.

The definition of peak is pretty different too. Clearly, no-one in
their right mind would use Oyster for a simple return journey after
the NR-defined peak [1]. Someone travelling into London before 0700
(is that restriction really early enough - it should be more like 0600
once Oyster expands into the suburbs?) and out after 1900 would be
able to make quite a saving.

[1] depending on how capping works after 09:30.


Looks like people in their right mind can use Oyster PAYG for a simple
return journey:

I now know the actual cost of an Oyster off peak return journey to WJ from
Zone 1, thanks to the journey history for 13th Nov becoming available after
yesterday's maintenance.

Northbound journey £5.50. Journey commenced after 0930, therefore the off
peak cap [1] applied to the return, at £7.30, which is 10p less than the NR
off peak (CDR) return fare to Euston.

Don't forget capping works independently of the peak/off peak fares, as has
been discussed regularly in the past. If you dont make any journeys until
1900 in the evening for instance, the zone 1 to WJ fare of £3.00 each way
would simply deduct £6.00 from your balance, and capping wouldn't occur.

OTOH If a commuting journey was made after 0700, but before 0930, returning
before 1900, you would pay £5.50 in both directions, which again is just
less than the NR standard day return.

£7.30 is the same offpeak cap value as that for Zone 1-ABCD, (shown online
in the 'fares beyond Moor Park' leaflet) presume therefore the peak cap to
WJ will be £14.00 as per ABCD.

Paul S

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From eWatford Observer 16/11/07

Oyster agreement

London Midland has agreed to accept Oyster cards on train services
between Watford Junction and London Euston.

In a statement received by The Watford Observer this afternoon, the
train operator said: "London Midland is pleased to confirm that Oyster
Pay As You Go (PAYG) can be used on its services between Watford
Junction and London Euston and all intermediate stations from this
Sunday (November 18th).


I hope TfL haven't pulped all those Overground timetables, that were a week
early with this decision...

Paul S