On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:26:59 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

It was an example of a station with surface-level platforms so far above sea
level that that being on the "Underground" is arguably more bizarre than
Brighton being similarly branded.

In Hamburg, there is a section (Roedingsmarkt-Rathaus, roughly) where
the U-bahn is elevated about 5m above the ground, and the S-Bahn is
underground...

Neil

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Neil Williams wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:26:59 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

It was an example of a station with surface-level platforms so far
above sea level that that being on the "Underground" is arguably
more bizarre than Brighton being similarly branded.

In Hamburg, there is a section (Roedingsmarkt-Rathaus, roughly) where
the U-bahn is elevated about 5m above the ground, and the S-Bahn is
underground...

AFIAK, U-bahns are controlled by the city government and S-bahns are
controlled by the federal government, and there is no particular reason why
an entire U-line couldn't be overground or an entire S-line be underground,
although the latter is particularly unlikely.

At Stratford station the Overground platforms are downstairs from the
Underground platforms.

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:37:40 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote:

AFIAK, U-bahns are controlled by the city government and S-bahns are
controlled by the federal government, and there is no particular reason why
an entire U-line couldn't be overground or an entire S-line be underground,
although the latter is particularly unlikely.

Oh, I don't think there's anything that says you can't, just as
there's nothing saying you can't have a LUL line mostly not
underground!

Neil

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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:26:59 GMT, Richard J. wrote:

As Innes Ferguson, TFL design director said at the LT Museum on
24/9/7, the "Overground" brand made [sense] since as "you
wouldn't expect to see 'Underground' on a roundel outside a
station in Brighton".

Nor would you at Amersham, 147 m (490 ft) above sea level, but people
seem to have accepted it for many years.

?

It was an example of a station with surface-level platforms so far above sea
level that that being on the "Underground" is arguably more bizarre than
Brighton being similarly branded.

Where does sea level come into it? Surely "underground" just means
below ground level, regardless of how far that is above (or indeed
below) sea level.

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:09:34 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:

All "Underground" stations have surface buildings which are above sea
level, AFAIK.

Regent's Park and Notting Hill Gate have no surface buildings.

Hyde Park Corner too, isn't it?

Yes, there are several.

(Off the top of my head:
Tottenham Court Road
Old Street
Piccadilly Circus, unless you count Trocadero

I can't mentally place surface buildings at Mansion House or Bank
either, but I'm not too sure about those.)

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:44:48 +0000, Steve Fitzgerald ]
wrote:

In message , Paul Corfield
writes

[map production]

Oh, a matter of moments. I'm going to eat some tinned spaghetti and a
packet of skittles, puke on a sheet of A3, and post a photo of it.

I could send you a plate of lamb and apricot curry if that would assist
with the creative process?!

Mmmm, lamb and apricot curry. That sounds good, you been at that cook
book again, Paul?

this recipe

http://uktv.co.uk/food/recipe/aid/591450

very nice and easy to make.
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007, John Rowland wrote:

Neil Williams wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:26:59 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

It was an example of a station with surface-level platforms so far
above sea level that that being on the "Underground" is arguably
more bizarre than Brighton being similarly branded.

In Hamburg, there is a section (Roedingsmarkt-Rathaus, roughly) where
the U-bahn is elevated about 5m above the ground, and the S-Bahn is
underground...

AFIAK, U-bahns are controlled by the city government and S-bahns are
controlled by the federal government, and there is no particular reason why
an entire U-line couldn't be overground or an entire S-line be underground,
although the latter is particularly unlikely.

At Stratford station the Overground platforms are downstairs from the
Underground platforms.

Willesden Junction has Overground and Underground on the same tracks. Er,
with more Overground on top of them ...

What does the NLL do at Stratford now? That used to have the Underground,
in the form of the Central line, on top of the Overground (although it
wasn't called that at the time!); then they added another bit of
Underground at the lower level (the Jubilee), and have now possibly
rerouted the Overground to the higher level. And of course there's
overground-with-a-small-o at the higher level, and at some point there'll
be DLR at both or something, i don't know. No plans to add yet another
underground line on top of the existing high level platforms that i know
of, sadly!

tom

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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:37:04 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

What does the NLL do at Stratford now?

What it has always done - have platforms adjacent to the Jubilee Line.
The new upper level platforms near platform 12 are under construction.
There are full details in the new Modern Railways (Dec 2007)
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On Nov 24, 3:28 pm, asdf wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:09:34 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:
All "Underground" stations have surface buildings which are above sea
level, AFAIK.

Regent's Park and Notting Hill Gate have no surface buildings.

Hyde Park Corner too, isn't it?

Yes, there are several.

(Off the top of my head:
Tottenham Court Road

Tottenham Court Road has a building over the exit at the corner of
Oxford Street and Charing Cross Road. It only covers the stairs
though. See the picture on the wiki entry at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenh...d_tube_station

The original ticket hall was around this point too.

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:37:04 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

What does the NLL do at Stratford now?

What it has always done - have platforms adjacent to the Jubilee Line.
The new upper level platforms near platform 12 are under construction.
There are full details in the new Modern Railways (Dec 2007)

To add to what Paul C has said, they still use both platforms most of the
day, the trains arriving in platform 2, then doing a shunt move down the
line to the south and then returning into platform 1 for departure. There
are a few exceptions to this in the early morning IIRC.

That Modern Railway drawing seems to have got its arrows and descriptions a
bit out of kilter though, the drawings on the TfL projects site are much
more readable...

Paul S