On Nov 26, 4:52 pm, MIG wrote:
On 26 Nov, 11:45, "Paul Scott" wrote:



"solar penguin" wrote in message

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On 26 Nov, 11:12, "Paul Scott" wrote:

"Mark S" wrote in message

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If I touch in at West Kensington and travel to Ealing Broadway, and as
I am not needed to, do not touch out there... does this mean that when
I come home and only touch out at West Kensington I will be charged as
if I never left in the first place?

You would pay £8.00, because your PAYG account would have two unresolved
journeys, one with no exit, a £4.00 max cash fare, and one with no entry,
another £4.00 max cash fare.

What if you were seeing off a friend? You touch in at the barriers,
accompany your friend to the platform, wave goodbye as your friend
gets on the train, then you touch out again.

Not sure, but I don't think the concept of seeing off a friend (like a
platform ticket) has been catered for on PAYG.
You could of course do that with a travelcard season...

Paul-

I haven't done proper research, but my impression is that any paper
travelcard will give "Seek assistance" whereas an Oyster weekly will
let you go in and out with no problem.

Certainly, if I go to, say, platforms 1 - 4 at Charing Cross, just
miss my train and try to get out for the next one from platform 6, I
can't open the gate with a paper period travelcard.

I have often gone into a station, through the barriers, and within
minutes come out that same station with my Oyster card.

"Mark S" wrote in message
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On Nov 26, 4:52 pm, MIG wrote:
On 26 Nov, 11:45, "Paul Scott" wrote:

Not sure, but I don't think the concept of seeing off a friend (like a
platform ticket) has been catered for on PAYG.
You could of course do that with a travelcard season...

I haven't done proper research, but my impression is that any paper
travelcard will give "Seek assistance" whereas an Oyster weekly will
let you go in and out with no problem.

Certainly, if I go to, say, platforms 1 - 4 at Charing Cross, just
miss my train and try to get out for the next one from platform 6, I
can't open the gate with a paper period travelcard.

I have often gone into a station, through the barriers, and within
minutes come out that same station with my Oyster card.

Was your PAYG balance reduced? Or was it a travelcard? It seems an important
distinction...

Paul S

On Nov 27, 11:43 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Mark S" wrote in message

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On Nov 26, 4:52 pm, MIG wrote:

On 26 Nov, 11:45, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Not sure, but I don't think the concept of seeing off a friend (like a
platform ticket) has been catered for on PAYG.
You could of course do that with a travelcard season...
I haven't done proper research, but my impression is that any paper
travelcard will give "Seek assistance" whereas an Oyster weekly will
let you go in and out with no problem.

Certainly, if I go to, say, platforms 1 - 4 at Charing Cross, just
miss my train and try to get out for the next one from platform 6, I
can't open the gate with a paper period travelcard.

I have often gone into a station, through the barriers, and within
minutes come out that same station with my Oyster card.

Was your PAYG balance reduced? Or was it a travelcard? It seems an important
distinction...

Paul S

I was just confirming what the previous poster thought... it does let
you do it. However, I have a annual travel card so I'm not sure if
that means PAYG would be different.

On 26 Nov, 16:47, MIG wrote:
On 26 Nov, 15:37, "Kieran Turner"
wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:
Not sure, but I don't think the concept of seeing off a friend (like a
platform ticket) has been catered for on PAYG.
You could of course do that with a travelcard season...

But oddly, not with a daily travelcard. Presumably one is *allowed* to, but
I have to "seek assistance" if I try to exit almost immediately at the
station I boarded at. The barriers don't open.

Hopefully there's some sort of time-out after which it will work. I suppose
it depends on whether this is an "unforseen circumstance" or a deliberate
measure to prevent things like somebody passing their card on to somebody
else once they think they've finished with needing it for barriers further
on in their (last) journey.

This has been discussed before, but I really can't get my head round
why anyone trying to pass their card to someone else would put it
through the machine.

This has no effect on the bleedin obvious, like just handing it to
someone.

In Barcelona, you can buy a 10 journey ticket and use it for any
combination of people x journeys that equal 10. An individual can make
10 trips, a couple can share it to make 5 journeys, the first person
through the gate passing it back to the second, or a party of 10 could
use it similarly. It is not only permitted but recommended. There is
no exit check, just a simple push bar like on the Paris Metro.

On Nov 27, 12:58 pm, Mark S wrote:
On Nov 27, 11:43 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:





"Mark S" wrote in message

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On Nov 26, 4:52 pm, MIG wrote:

On 26 Nov, 11:45, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Not sure, but I don't think the concept of seeing off a friend (like a
platform ticket) has been catered for on PAYG.
You could of course do that with a travelcard season...
I haven't done proper research, but my impression is that any paper
travelcard will give "Seek assistance" whereas an Oyster weekly will
let you go in and out with no problem.

Certainly, if I go to, say, platforms 1 - 4 at Charing Cross, just
miss my train and try to get out for the next one from platform 6, I
can't open the gate with a paper period travelcard.

I have often gone into a station, through the barriers, and within
minutes come out that same station with my Oyster card.

Was your PAYG balance reduced? Or was it a travelcard? It seems an important
distinction...

Paul S

I was just confirming what the previous poster thought... it does let
you do it. However, I have a annual travel card so I'm not sure if
that means PAYG would be different.- Hide quoted text -

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Yes, my point was about the difference between period travelcards on
Oyster and paper. The latter don't seem to open the gates if used
repeatedly, but the former do. I can't see why the difference (but
that's mainly because I can't see why paper ones should be prevented).

ISTR (but can't find confirmation) that if you enter a station with
your PAYG Oyster and leave it again (within a short space of time) the
journey is cancelled - ie no charge. To cover the case of you finding
the service disrupted and deciding to abandon your journey.

On Dec 3, 10:32 am, wrote:
ISTR (but can't find confirmation) that if you enter a station with
your PAYG Oyster and leave it again (within a short space of time) the
journey is cancelled - ie no charge. To cover the case of you finding
the service disrupted and deciding to abandon your journey.

That's not my experience. On one occasion, I entered Moor Park
station, realised that I'd forgotten something in the shop. So I went
back out through the barriers (within a minute of entry), the original
£1 entry charge was not refunded and when I returned, five minutes
later, I was charged £1 again. The £1 was the expected fare for a
Saturday, as I had a zone 1-2 annual travelcard on the Oyster as well.
However, there was no problem with getting it refunded when I phoned
the Oyster helpline.

I don't see all the above being true because take a look at this
following route:

Arrive at Ealing Broadway Go Through Barriers Take FGW to Burnham
(no Oyster) Come back to Ealing Broadway and exit barriers.

With the above route there is no way for you to signal that you have
traveled outside of Ealing Broadway so essentially are you entering
and leaving at the same station and of course I hope this does not
charge me when I have the zones on my travel card for Ealing.

"Mark S" wrote in message
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I don't see all the above being true because take a look at this
following route:

Arrive at Ealing Broadway Go Through Barriers Take FGW to Burnham
(no Oyster) Come back to Ealing Broadway and exit barriers.

With the above route there is no way for you to signal that you have
traveled outside of Ealing Broadway so essentially are you entering
and leaving at the same station and of course I hope this does not
charge me when I have the zones on my travel card for Ealing.

But if a Revenue Protection Inspector checks you on the train from Ealington
to Burnham (and they're far more common these days), then you're probably
liable for a £20 fine.

On Dec 19, 2:15 pm, "Toby" wrote:
"Mark S" wrote in message

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I don't see all the above being true because take a look at this
following route:

Arrive at Ealing Broadway Go Through Barriers Take FGW to Burnham
(no Oyster) Come back to Ealing Broadway and exit barriers.

With the above route there is no way for you to signal that you have
traveled outside of Ealing Broadway so essentially are you entering
and leaving at the same station and of course I hope this does not
charge me when I have the zones on my travel card for Ealing.

But if a Revenue Protection Inspector checks you on the train from Ealington
to Burnham (and they're far more common these days), then you're probably
liable for a £20 fine.

There are a vast number of journeys made every day with travelcards
where one goes through a barrier at one end but not the other.

Often where the country end is not barriered but the terminus is, eg
arriving at Charing Cross, Victoria or Cannon Street from many
stations.

Also the other way round, such as many SWT local stations which have
barriers and the regular journey is to Waterloo, which is not
barriered.

I used to make a regular commute from south eastern suburb to south
western suburb, where the only gate I ever went through was at the
south west end (out in the morning and in in the evening). No
barriers at my end or at Waterloo East or Waterloo.