In message , Tom
Anderson writes

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Paul Terry wrote:

The GOBLIN, as known today, has existed only since about 1981. It is
an amalgam of various bits of other lines, although the South
Tottenham to Forest Gate section was built in 1894 (at the
encouragement of a property speculator) to join the Midland Railway
with the London, Tilbury and Southend.

Before that bit was built, where did the line go?

The western bit (South Tottenham to Gospel Oak) was part of the
Tottenham and Hampstead Junction railway (terminating at Tottenham Hale
and running into central London).

The eastern end was part of the London, Tilbury and Southend system (in
fact, at one time, most "GOBLIN" services turned west at East Ham
Junction to terminate at East Ham on the LTS, rather than going straight
on to Barking ... while a few went all the way to Southend).

--
Paul Terry

On 27 Nov, 17:23, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Tom
Anderson writes

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Paul Terry wrote:
The GOBLIN, as known today, has existed only since about 1981. It is
an amalgam of various bits of other lines, although the South
Tottenham to Forest Gate section was built in 1894 (at the
encouragement of a property speculator) to join the Midland Railway
with the London, Tilbury and Southend.
Before that bit was built, where did the line go?

The western bit (South Tottenham to Gospel Oak) was part of the
Tottenham and Hampstead Junction railway (terminating at Tottenham Hale
and running into central London).

The eastern end was part of the London, Tilbury and Southend system (in
fact, at one time, most "GOBLIN" services turned west at East Ham
Junction to terminate at East Ham on the LTS, rather than going straight
on to Barking ... while a few went all the way to Southend).


I'm sure that in a previous thread someone mentioned troop movements
from St Pancras to Tilbury.

On 27 Nov, 17:15, Tom Anderson wrote:
Er, Blackhorse Road?

Not if you're coming from central London and hurrying to catch a
westbound Goblin. It's only 3 minutes walk from Seven Sisters if you
use the shortcut through the estate, and it'll save you at least 10.

U

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Just thought I'd mention that Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay is a
valid and quite an easy interchange; just a short walk up/down the
hill.

On 27 Nov, 17:19, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Mizter T wrote:
One useful change not mentioned yet (in this thread at least, though
we've certainly been here before!) is the Upper Holloway to Archway/
Northern line (non-)interchange.

What is the best term for describing such an interchange

Outerchange?

tom


Yes, maybe!

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:42:17 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

One useful change not mentioned yet (in this thread at least, though
we've certainly been here before!) is the Upper Holloway to Archway/
Northern line (non-)interchange.

What is the best term for describing such an interchange - an out-of-
station interchange might be a good one, but in ticketing terminology
that means a journey where a change that involves transfer between
stations on the street can be completed on a single ticket. Using the
phrase 'out-of-station interchange' where through tickets might not be
valid would perhaps just serve to confuse things.

Since PAYG was extended to the Overground there are 3 new valid out of
station interchanges for PAYG purposes. These are

West Hampstead LU / West Hampstead NLL / West Hampstead Thameslink

Upper Holloway / Archway LU

Leytonstone High Road / Leytonstone LU.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:

Since PAYG was extended to the Overground there are 3 new valid out of
station interchanges for PAYG purposes. These are

West Hampstead LU / West Hampstead NLL / West Hampstead Thameslink

Upper Holloway / Archway LU

Leytonstone High Road / Leytonstone LU.

Are these valid for non PAYG interchange? (I thought the West Hampsteads
always were.)

wrote:
Hi,
I'm mildly disappointed in the lack of connections the GOBLin line has
with tube lines (very mildly - it's not one of the things that causes
me to lose sleep, but it is a shame.)
It crosses four tube lines (Cebtral, Victoria, Piccadilly and
Northern), yet only connects with one and that's only because the
Victoria line was built to connect with it.
I was wondering, was the GOBLin built after the tube lines? Does
anyone know the rationale behind its route? Have there ever been plans
to connect it with the lines it crosses? Which came first: the GOBLin
or the tube lines?!

No-one seems to have mentioned that the Victoria Line is kind of a
replacement for the Goblin. Whatever journeys would be done with the Goblin
if it had decent interchanges, or used to be done with the "Goblin" when it
ran to St Pancras, are done with the Vic instead. That's not much use if you
live in Crouch Hill or Harringay though.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:28:27 +0000, Paul Corfield wrote:

Since PAYG was extended to the Overground there are 3 new valid out of
station interchanges for PAYG purposes. These are

West Hampstead LU / West Hampstead NLL / West Hampstead Thameslink

PAYG isn't valid at West Hampstead Thameslink...

On 27 Nov, 20:28, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:42:17 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

One useful change not mentioned yet (in this thread at least, though
we've certainly been here before!) is the Upper Holloway to Archway/
Northern line (non-)interchange.

What is the best term for describing such an interchange - an out-of-
station interchange might be a good one, but in ticketing terminology
that means a journey where a change that involves transfer between
stations on the street can be completed on a single ticket. Using the
phrase 'out-of-station interchange' where through tickets might not be
valid would perhaps just serve to confuse things.

Since PAYG was extended to the Overground there are 3 new valid out of
station interchanges for PAYG purposes. These are

West Hampstead LU / West Hampstead NLL / West Hampstead Thameslink

Upper Holloway / Archway LU

Leytonstone High Road / Leytonstone LU.

--
Paul C

Admits to working for London Underground!

Where are these out of station interchanges listed? They aren't
always shown on the Tube map etc.

Jonathan