On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:49:35 +0000, asdf
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:28:27 +0000, Paul Corfield wrote:

Since PAYG was extended to the Overground there are 3 new valid out of
station interchanges for PAYG purposes. These are

West Hampstead LU / West Hampstead NLL / West Hampstead Thameslink

PAYG isn't valid at West Hampstead Thameslink...

Oh yes it is. It was extended there on the same date as Overground
launched. The national rail PAYG map shows it very clearly and FCC have
updated their page to make direct mention of it.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...yster-PAYG.pdf
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...iCmsPageId=107

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

John Rowland wrote:

No-one seems to have mentioned that the Victoria Line is kind of a
replacement for the Goblin. Whatever journeys would be done with the
Goblin if it had decent interchanges, or used to be done with the "Goblin"
when it ran to St Pancras, are done with the Vic instead. That's not much
use if you live in Crouch Hill or Harringay though.

It may be true for the Walthamstow half of things, but the Vic is pretty
useless east of there!

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:07:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On 27 Nov, 20:28, Paul Corfield wrote:

Since PAYG was extended to the Overground there are 3 new valid out of
station interchanges for PAYG purposes. These are

West Hampstead LU / West Hampstead NLL / West Hampstead Thameslink

Upper Holloway / Archway LU

Leytonstone High Road / Leytonstone LU.
Where are these out of station interchanges listed? They aren't
always shown on the Tube map etc.

I haven't seen them formally listed. The information was posted on
another group I read by someone who is close to all of the detail on
Oyster and PAYG.

Please don't complain about lack of publicity - I was simply sharing
some information that was relevant to part of the thread.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On 27 Nov, 21:26, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:07:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On 27 Nov, 20:28, Paul Corfield wrote:
Since PAYG was extended to the Overground there are 3 new valid out of
station interchanges for PAYG purposes. These are

West Hampstead LU / West Hampstead NLL / West Hampstead Thameslink

Upper Holloway / Archway LU

Leytonstone High Road / Leytonstone LU.
Where are these out of station interchanges listed? They aren't
always shown on the Tube map etc.

I haven't seen them formally listed. The information was posted on
another group I read by someone who is close to all of the detail on
Oyster and PAYG.

Please don't complain about lack of publicity - I was simply sharing
some information that was relevant to part of the thread.
--
Paul C

Well I guess we could well complain about the lack of publicity - but
if we were to do so we should direct the complain to TfL, rather than
shooting the messenger...

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/contact/default.asp?type=tfl

In message of Tue, 27 Nov
2007 20:28:27 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield
writes
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:42:17 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

One useful change not mentioned yet (in this thread at least, though
we've certainly been here before!) is the Upper Holloway to Archway/
Northern line (non-)interchange.

What is the best term for describing such an interchange - an out-of-
station interchange might be a good one, but in ticketing terminology
that means a journey where a change that involves transfer between
stations on the street can be completed on a single ticket. Using the
phrase 'out-of-station interchange' where through tickets might not be
valid would perhaps just serve to confuse things.

Since PAYG was extended to the Overground there are 3 new valid out of
station interchanges for PAYG purposes. These are

West Hampstead LU / West Hampstead NLL / West Hampstead Thameslink

Was validity extended to WHT on 11 November? Is there now a gate line?
Validity used to stop at Kentish Town.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/oysteronline/5823.aspx supports your
point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_card_(pay_as_you_go)_on_National_Rail
shows the old validity.



Upper Holloway / Archway LU

Leytonstone High Road / Leytonstone LU.


--
Walter Briscoe

On 27 Nov, 21:13, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:


It may be true for the Walthamstow half of things, but the Vic is pretty
useless east of there!

Yes, a journey I have to make occasionally is Manor House - Barking,
*walking* to Harringey Green Lanes and then taking the GOBLIN to
Barking is by far the most pleasant way to do it.

Francis

On Nov 28, 10:27 am, Walter Briscoe
wrote:
In message of Tue, 27 Nov
2007 20:28:27 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield
writes



On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:42:17 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

One useful change not mentioned yet (in this thread at least, though
we've certainly been here before!) is the Upper Holloway to Archway/
Northern line (non-)interchange.

What is the best term for describing such an interchange - an out-of-
station interchange might be a good one, but in ticketing terminology
that means a journey where a change that involves transfer between
stations on the street can be completed on a single ticket. Using the
phrase 'out-of-station interchange' where through tickets might not be
valid would perhaps just serve to confuse things.

Since PAYG was extended to the Overground there are 3 new valid out of
station interchanges for PAYG purposes. These are

West Hampstead LU / West Hampstead NLL / West Hampstead Thameslink

Was validity extended to WHT on 11 November? Is there now a gate line?

Yes, on the 11th November. There is no gate line, just validators by
the exit to the main road. I first found out about it in the week
starting 11th November, but it was clearly advertised on the website
and at the station.

Validity used to stop at Kentish Town.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/oysteronline/5823.aspx supports your
point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_card_(pay_as_you_go)_on_National_...
shows the old validity.

A similar critiscm can be made of the North London Line, that other
jewel in TFL's crown....We start at Richmond, where things initially
look promising with full connections with the District Line (and South
West Trains). No problems either at Kew Gardens and Gunnersbury (both
now transferred to LU from 11/11). After this however the line passes
under the Piccadilly Line and District Line Ealing branch, but of
course there are no platforms. South Acton would have seen an
inconvenient interchange possible with the District Line had the Acton
Town - South Action shuttle not come off in 1959.
Acton Central has no adjacent Underground station, but then when the
line passes over the Central Line and Chiltern Railways Ruislip
branch, it is only a few hundred yards from North Acton station, yet
again no interchange is possible, despite long-standing plans for such
a facility here.
Willesden Junction does at least link with the Bakerloo and LO DC
Lines, but its usefulness is much reduced by the loss of the 'main
line' platforms, nor helped by the station's chaotic layout. Kensal
Rise isn't near to Kensal Green; Brondesbury Park sits mid-way between
Queen's Park and Kilburn, Brondesbury is little better, whilst at West
Hampstead the line manages to miss two other stations of the same
name! Finchley Road & Frognal is not, of course, linked to Finchley
Road, and when passing over the Northern Line Edgware branch, no
station has been since provided by either operator, instead Hampstead
Heath lies about 20 minutes walk from both Hampstead and Belsize Park
(to be fair the Underground lines came later and failed to site their
new stations accordingly where possible).
Gospel Oak at least serves LO's own GobLin service, albeit through an
awkward subway WB, but as usual, the NLL has its own Kentish Town West
which is nowhere near the Northern Line's Kentish Town. At Camden Town
they had to change the station name to Camden Road to avoid confusion,
it being so far away from its much busier LT namesake. Caledonian Road
Piccadilly Line station stands quite properly in the thoroughfare
which name in bears, but guess what? The NLL equivalent of Caledonian
Road & Barnsbury sits in a side street (and would be better named
"Caledonian Road for Pentonville Prison" given that its stands in the
shadow of that establishment).
At last Highbury & Islington provides a proper connection with the
First Capital Connect and LU systems, though it took a 1960s rebuild
for the Victoria Line to achieve this and move the LT station across
the road to the NLR site. Dalston Kingsland is another isolated spot,
whilst BR's cheap 1980s extension "East of Dalston" didn't even
combine Hackney Downs with the revived Hackney Central station.
Further isolated stations are at Homerton and Hackney Wick before
finally, a triumphal return to a fully-integrated site is made at
Stratford.

wrote:

Gospel Oak at least serves LO's own GobLin service, albeit through an
awkward subway WB,

Erm the GOBLIN's bay platform is on the westbound NLL platform isn't it?

Also the track & platform layout is a mess - it's not possible to have a
through service switching between lines that stops at Gospel Oak.

wrote:
A similar critiscm can be made of the North London Line, that other
jewel in TFL's crown....
snip
Further isolated stations are at Homerton and Hackney Wick before
finally, a triumphal return to a fully-integrated site is made at
Stratford.

.... but not fully integrated with the Stratford HSL1 station.

You forgot to mention that the North London Line has no station where it
crosses the proposed West London Tram route, and the tram won't even have a
stop at the nearest point to Acton Central station.