With the present (overground) timetable could they not open the
eastern platform as a bidirectional one, if the Southern trains did
not stop?

Alternatively, open it as an alighting-only station for a limited
period (which TfL seem quite happy to do at certain times with busy
Underground stations), monitor the way people move around the
platforms and use that information to establish exactly what needs
doing.

On Dec 6, 3:52 pm, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 6 Dec, 15:20, Offramp wrote:

reasons for building is to interchange with the Central
Line station next door, so giving them the same name makes a lot of
sense. The H&C station is being renamed Shepherd's Bush Market in the
next year or two.

Thanks for pointing that out - I did not know that, so my criticism
was definitely unfair.
Renaming SB on the H+C is a good idea - and SBM is a good choice.

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Mr Thant wrote:

On 6 Dec, 15:20, Offramp wrote:
Another slightly annoying thing is the name, Shepherd's Bush.

"What are we going to call this brand new station, then?"
"Shepherd's Bush."
"Right. So it doesn't matter that there's already a Shepherd's Bush on
the Central Line?"
"No."
"And that there's a Shepherd's Bush on the Hammersmith & City Line?"
"No."
"And that people are already confused..."
"No."
"So we're going to call it...."
"Shepherd's Bush. No other names are available."

One of the reasons for building is to interchange with the Central Line
station next door, so giving them the same name makes a lot of sense.
The H&C station is being renamed Shepherd's Bush Market in the next year
or two.

Is it going to be a true interchange, or an outerchange? Will there be a
behind-the-gateline route from WLL to Central platforms?

tom

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Mr Thant wrote:

One of the reasons for building is to interchange with the Central Line
station next door, so giving them the same name makes a lot of sense. The
H&C station is being renamed Shepherd's Bush Market in the next year or
two.

Is it going to be a true interchange, or an outerchange? Will there be a
behind-the-gateline route from WLL to Central platforms?


No, its an outerchange. We discussed this a while ago [on uk.t.l], cos there
is an escape stair shaft on the WLL side of the bus station [the site
immediately next to the new station], but it appears normal interchange will
be via a pedestrian crossing at the junction with the main road.

I guess an underground paid side interchange to the WLL station would have
been difficult to engineer, in view of the footbridge access to the eastmost
platform?

Presumably though, access to the actual shopping development may be via
either side of the bus station?

Paul

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:44:12 -0000, "Steve"
wrote:

Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too
narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore
looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening!



What is the current width of the platforms here?
I'm reminded of Clapham Common and Clapham North which have survived
as very narrow island platforms on the northern Line.


Dave

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:44:12 -0000, "Steve"
wrote:

Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too
narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore
looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening!



What is the current width of the platforms here?
I'm reminded of Clapham Common and Clapham North which have survived
as very narrow island platforms on the northern Line.


Not much - the photos on Mr Thant's blog show it well. Linked to earlier,
but in case you missed it:

http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...m-debacle.html

Paul S

On 6 Dec, 18:19, "Paul Scott" wrote:
I guess an underground paid side interchange to the WLL station would have
been difficult to engineer, in view of the footbridge access to the eastmost
platform?

The station building itself is level with the footbridge, so that's
not an issue. I think it would have been fairly straightforward to
have escalators coming up behind the gateline at concourse level, then
stairs and lifts down to the platforms as now.

But the new building isn't big enough for this, and it'd be bloody
expensive just for interchange. If they'd combined the two projects so
that the WLL station was also be the new Central Line station, it
might have made sense.

Presumably though, access to the actual shopping development may be via
either side of the bus station?

The shopping centre entrance is on the west side of the road, but
there'll be a crossing outside.

U

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David Hansen wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:28:04 -0000 someone who may be "Mortimer"
wrote this:-

But why was it not picked up by an inspector or supervisor? Irrespective of
what the drawings may say or imply, any fool would spot that it didn't look
right within a few seconds as James did when he passed through on the train.

Any contractor building it would build it to the drawing they had
been given, even if they can see that it is wrong. Their reasoning
is that it is a lucrative daywork to put it right.

A mate has an engraving business.
BNFL wanted some new indicator boards naming, so sent him the drawings.
He saw immediately that they were wrong, so rang them.
"What version drawing have you got?"
"X.XX"
"Well, thats the latest, so they cannot be wrong. Get the signs done, as
we need them ASAP"

So he made them, sent them off Special Delivery, and got a phone call
the next day - "these signs are not right"
"I know, you told me to make them, even though I told you they were
wrong"
"Well, the drawing has been changed since, so remake them to the new
drawing."

That'd be the new drawing that he hadnt got, but which apparently was
version 1 of the drawings.
So they sent him a new set of drawings by fax.
Which were exactly the same as before.

He didnt want to go through with the rigmarole again, so said he wasnt
making them again until the proper drawings were sent.
Who he spoke to was adamant that the drawings were right.

He said he comes across such incompetence every week of the year - he
had an engineering graduate come to have a look at what he does - the
grad picked up a digital vernier guage and said "i've never seen one of
these in the flesh before".
He was astounded - apparently Eng. Grads. no longer do any practical
work at all, they just sit in front of a computer to do their
designs/work, so I can understand why the platform width wasnt noticed.
Alan.
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:43:21 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 6, 3:20 pm, Offramp wrote:
Another slightly annoying thing is the name, Shepherd's Bush.

"What are we going to call this brand new station, then?"
"Shepherd's Bush."
"Right. So it doesn't matter that there's already a Shepherd's Bush on
the Central Line?"
"No."
"And that there's a Shepherd's Bush on the Hammersmith & City Line?"
"No."
"And that people are already confused..."
"No."
"So we're going to call it...."
"Shepherd's Bush. No other names are available."


To be fair, it will interchange with the central line so calling them
both Shepherd's Bush makes sense.

The H&C one needs a rename, mind.

According to various sources, it is to be renamed "Shepherds Bush
Market" (apostrophes optional g).

Preferably along with Bethnal Green (NR), Edware Road (Bakerloo),
Caledonian Road & Barnsbury and Finchley Road & Frognal. Confusing
buggers.

Jonn

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Mr Thant wrote:

One of the reasons for building is to interchange with the Central Line
station next door, so giving them the same name makes a lot of sense. The
H&C station is being renamed Shepherd's Bush Market in the next year or
two.

Is it going to be a true interchange, or an outerchange? Will there be
a behind-the-gateline route from WLL to Central platforms?

No, its an outerchange. We discussed this a while ago [on uk.t.l],

Oh yes, so we did, apologies.

I guess an underground paid side interchange to the WLL station would
have been difficult to engineer, in view of the footbridge access to the
eastmost platform?

I have to confess i haven't a clue how the Central line platforms and
associated gubbins are laid out, so no idea!

tom

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