On Dec 11, 12:40 am, "Peter Smyth" wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message

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Chris Read wrote:
wrote:

Now that Blake Hall is closed which is now the least used station?

Roding Valley, IIRC, on the assumption you are referring to London
Underground stations only.

The LU station stats for 2006 are at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/mode...underground/15...
(You used to be able to get to it via "Corporate" and then "London
Underground", but the link from there seems to have disappeared in the
last week or so.)

Roding Valley does appear to be the least used (0.179 million
entries/exits per annum), followed I think by Grange Hill at 0.287
million.

If you go back to 2003 then both Grange Hill and Chigwell were lower than
Roding Valley but for some reason the Roding Valley figures have remained
constant while the other two have increased significantly.


I don't know when the evening service improved, but it would make a
lot of difference (and maybe take time for habits to change). People
who had to drive to (say) Buckhurst Hill in order to get home again
may not have to do so.

On Dec 11, 8:39 am, MIG wrote:
On Dec 11, 12:40 am, "Peter Smyth" wrote:





"Richard J." wrote in message

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Chris Read wrote:
wrote:

Now that Blake Hall is closed which is now the least used station?

Roding Valley, IIRC, on the assumption you are referring to London
Underground stations only.

The LU station stats for 2006 are at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/mode...underground/15...
(You used to be able to get to it via "Corporate" and then "London
Underground", but the link from there seems to have disappeared in the
last week or so.)

Roding Valley does appear to be the least used (0.179 million
entries/exits per annum), followed I think by Grange Hill at 0.287
million.

If you go back to 2003 then both Grange Hill and Chigwell were lower than
Roding Valley but for some reason the Roding Valley figures have remained
constant while the other two have increased significantly.

I don't know when the evening service improved, but it would make a
lot of difference (and maybe take time for habits to change). People
who had to drive to (say) Buckhurst Hill in order to get home again
may not have to do so.


And maybe the figures are being measured differently since Oyster. Eg
from closed ticket office selling zero tickets to people bleeping
their shop-topped Oysters on the pads at all times of day.

"MIG" wrote in message
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If you go back to 2003 then both Grange Hill and Chigwell were lower than
Roding Valley but for some reason the Roding Valley figures have remained
constant while the other two have increased significantly.


I don't know when the evening service improved, but it would make a
lot of difference (and maybe take time for habits to change). People
who had to drive to (say) Buckhurst Hill in order to get home again
may not have to do so.

Weren't the service changes coincident with a zone change in those parts [a
couple of years ago maybe], aimed at improving passenger numbers?

Paul S

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
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"MIG" wrote in message
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If you go back to 2003 then both Grange Hill and Chigwell were lower
than
Roding Valley but for some reason the Roding Valley figures have
remained
constant while the other two have increased significantly.


I don't know when the evening service improved, but it would make a
lot of difference (and maybe take time for habits to change). People
who had to drive to (say) Buckhurst Hill in order to get home again
may not have to do so.

Weren't the service changes coincident with a zone change in those parts
[a couple of years ago maybe], aimed at improving passenger numbers?

Paul S


Is there a danger of more stations closing on the Central line?

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, wrote:


"Paul Scott" wrote in message
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"MIG" wrote in message
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If you go back to 2003 then both Grange Hill and Chigwell were lower
than Roding Valley but for some reason the Roding Valley figures have
remained constant while the other two have increased significantly.

I don't know when the evening service improved, but it would make a
lot of difference (and maybe take time for habits to change). People
who had to drive to (say) Buckhurst Hill in order to get home again
may not have to do so.

Weren't the service changes coincident with a zone change in those parts
[a couple of years ago maybe], aimed at improving passenger numbers?

Is there a danger of more stations closing on the Central line?

Only if they build Crossrail 2 - at the moment, it's slated to take over
the Hainault loop. Which, given the facts mentioned here, seems like pure
madness.

If the East London Transit plan goes ahead, i suppose there'd be a case
for converting the northernmost bit of the loop to a busway.

tom

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Only if they build Crossrail 2 - at the moment, it's slated to take over
the Hainault loop. Which, given the facts mentioned here, seems like pure
madness.

Actually I think current Crossrail 2 "plans" involved Epping branch
being overtaken and Hainault branch being left for Central line.

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, wrote:


"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...

"MIG" wrote in message
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If you go back to 2003 then both Grange Hill and Chigwell were
lower than Roding Valley but for some reason the Roding Valley
figures have remained constant while the other two have increased
significantly.

I don't know when the evening service improved, but it would make a
lot of difference (and maybe take time for habits to change). People
who had to drive to (say) Buckhurst Hill in order to get
home again may not have to do so.

Weren't the service changes coincident with a zone change in those
parts [a couple of years ago maybe], aimed at improving passenger
numbers?

Is there a danger of more stations closing on the Central line?

Only if they build Crossrail 2 - at the moment, it's slated to take
over the Hainault loop.

Full-size trains through the Gants Hill tunnel?

On 12 Dec, 13:44, alex_t wrote:
Only if they build Crossrail 2 - at the moment, it's slated to take over
the Hainault loop. Which, given the facts mentioned here, seems like pure
madness.

Actually I think current Crossrail 2 "plans" involved Epping branch
being overtaken and Hainault branch being left for Central line.

Lots of stations that could be deemed to be in the loop are very busy,
eg South Woodford, at which about half the remaining contents of
Epping trains get off in the evening rush hour. The less used bits
are the worst served, ie between Woodford and Hainault. It's partly
self-fulfilling I suspect. Make the service unattractive and claim
there's no demand. Although the demand must also be limited.

The Epping and Hainault lines were both originally branches from
Liverpool Street, with the latter running from where Ilford depot is
to Newbury Park (and the tunnel added later for the Central Line).

In message
, MIG
writes

The Epping and Hainault lines were both originally branches from
Liverpool Street, with the latter running from where Ilford depot is
to Newbury Park (and the tunnel added later for the Central Line).

Some of the Hainault loop trains were to/from Fenchurch Street, but the
entire service was very sporadic, and Hainault station was closed soon
after the 1903 opening. Looking at the 1929 timetable, there were gaps
of an hour or more between trains during some parts of the day and the
number of through services to London declined, resulting in the need to
change at Ilford.

The real problems were the total lack of housing in the north of the
area before the building boom of the 1930s and the electric trams that
opened just before the railway to steal the potential traffic in the
south. Although most of the area is now built-up, I don't think the
northern part of the loop has ever recovered from the poor services in
the early days, and it has remained an area of high car-ownership.
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Paul Terry

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, John Rowland wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, wrote:

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...

"MIG" wrote in message
...

If you go back to 2003 then both Grange Hill and Chigwell were
lower than Roding Valley but for some reason the Roding Valley
figures have remained constant while the other two have increased
significantly.

I don't know when the evening service improved, but it would make a
lot of difference (and maybe take time for habits to change). People
who had to drive to (say) Buckhurst Hill in order to get
home again may not have to do so.

Weren't the service changes coincident with a zone change in those
parts [a couple of years ago maybe], aimed at improving passenger
numbers?

Is there a danger of more stations closing on the Central line?

Only if they build Crossrail 2 - at the moment, it's slated to take
over the Hainault loop.

Full-size trains through the Gants Hill tunnel?

Lens.

Yes, you're right, i think i had it the wrong way round.

tom

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