"jonmorris" wrote in message
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Being keen to see the new station, I travelled today from there and it
was another 317 (Moorgate) train. The LCD displays were seriously
messed up, showing the first train as 0900, due 0905 and the second
train due at 0904! Obviously the second train didn't overtake, and
didn't arrive before the first one!! I think they've got some work to
do there.

Yup, they were doing something similar at about 1830 last night.

I also noticed that the displays don't say whether the next train will
be 4 cars or 8 - the displays at KX TL did.

Presumably in some unattainable nirvana somewhere in FCC-land,
all trains are 12 cars, so such a facility on the displays is unnecessary.
--
Garry Smith

On 11 Dec, 09:01, "Garry Smith" wrote:

Yup, they were doing something similar at about 1830 last night.

And this morning it was also somewhat confusing!

08:44 Moorgate - due 09:05
08:52 Wimbledon - due 08:58
08:56 Sutton - due 09:08
09:00 Moorgate - due 09:04
09:04 Brighton - due 09:04

Did FCC adjust the timetable to take into account the longer/shorter
time to arrive at StP? And, have they made the necessary changes to
the infrastructure to report on the arrival times for the screens?

I also noticed that the displays don't say whether the next train will
be 4 cars or 8 - the displays at KX TL did.

This is stupid. I don't think they state the location of first class
anymore either.

Jonathan

"jonmorris" wrote

Did FCC adjust the timetable to take into account the longer/shorter
time to arrive at StP? And, have they made the necessary changes to
the infrastructure to report on the arrival times for the screens?

Southbound St Pancras International departure times seem to be one minute
earlier than the former Kings Cross Thameslink times. Northbound the former
Kings Cross Thameslink times are used unchangedf.

Peter

jonmorris wrote:
On 11 Dec, 09:01, "Garry Smith" wrote:

snip

I also noticed that the displays don't say whether the next train will
be 4 cars or 8 - the displays at KX TL did.

This is stupid. I don't think they state the location of first class
anymore either.

Indeed. But since all the FCC TL trains are DOO the driver will always
stop by the signs that say 'S car stop' (on both platforms - one sign
for each), which themselves are adjacent to the DOO screens (again one
set of screens for each platform - I've noticed that they broadcast
full-colour DOO feed, rather than black and white which is the norm).

What I'm personally more annoyed about are the new gates - at the moment
you have to shove your (paper) ticket through the slot, and the flaps
themselves are so slow they make it easier for tailgaters to pass
through behind someone else (compared to the other two sets of gates on
the LU network anyway).

On 11 Dec, 11:08, Sky Rider wrote:

What I'm personally more annoyed about are the new gates - at the moment
you have to shove your (paper) ticket through the slot, and the flaps
themselves are so slow they make it easier for tailgaters to pass
through behind someone else (compared to the other two sets of gates on
the LU network anyway).

The gates are shockingly slow, just like those in use throughout
King's Cross. I don't like them one bit (about 10 people can pass
through with you) but for the sake of Paul C's sanity, I won't start
ranting about them again!!

One thing I will say; at the FCC stations that have only put in a few
gates, they're so slow that during busy periods they're forced to
press the 'plunger' to open them up and let people through. This sort
of defeats the object, in my opinion.

Jonathan

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:37:53 -0800 (PST), jonmorris
wrote:

One thing I will say; at the FCC stations that have only put in a few
gates, they're so slow that during busy periods they're forced to
press the 'plunger' to open them up and let people through. This sort
of defeats the object, in my opinion.

Euston has the traditional type, and it's still common for them to do
that to clear a morning peak crowd. I reckon, though, that commuter
services would carry very few fare-dodgers, as most will have season
tickets.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On 11 Dec, 20:16, (Neil Williams)
wrote:

Euston has the traditional type, and it's still common for them to do
that to clear a morning peak crowd. I reckon, though, that commuter
services would carry very few fare-dodgers, as most will have season
tickets.

Yes and no. When First took over the GN side, they were checking on
peak trains and catching lots of people - especially people who
assumed the RPIs wouldn't squeeze through busy carriages. Once they
started to man stations, it seems the message got through. Now when
they grip on busy trains, almost everyone as a ticket. In fact, the
only real issue is people sitting in first class on trains that aren't
declassified.

Jonathan

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(jonmorris) wrote:

On 11 Dec, 11:08, Sky Rider wrote:

What I'm personally more annoyed about are the new gates - at the
moment you have to shove your (paper) ticket through the slot, and
the flaps themselves are so slow they make it easier for tailgaters
to pass through behind someone else (compared to the other two sets
of gates on the LU network anyway).

The gates are shockingly slow, just like those in use throughout
King's Cross. I don't like them one bit (about 10 people can pass
through with you) but for the sake of Paul C's sanity, I won't start
ranting about them again!!

One thing I will say; at the FCC stations that have only put in a few
gates, they're so slow that during busy periods they're forced to
press the 'plunger' to open them up and let people through. This sort
of defeats the object, in my opinion.

I noticed the new gates for King's Cross platforms 9-11 in place tonight
but not yet commissioned. They are going to be a right nightmare to get
through with my bike off the 10:15 in the mornings!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

jonmorris wrote:
On 11 Dec, 11:08, Sky Rider wrote:

What I'm personally more annoyed about are the new gates - at the moment
you have to shove your (paper) ticket through the slot, and the flaps
themselves are so slow they make it easier for tailgaters to pass
through behind someone else (compared to the other two sets of gates on
the LU network anyway).

The gates are shockingly slow, just like those in use throughout
King's Cross. I don't like them one bit (about 10 people can pass
through with you) but for the sake of Paul C's sanity, I won't start
ranting about them again!!

snip

I used SPILL again yesterday and found that it is not so hard to push
your ticket through the slot now (perhaps the slots have been lubricated
by the sheer number of tickets they've handled now). I also noted that
there are 13 automatic gates at the entrance/exit (11 narrow, 2 wide).

"Garry Smith" wrote in message
...

I also noticed that the displays don't say whether the next train will
be 4 cars or 8 - the displays at KX TL did.

Noticed last night that the displays now say which zones of the
platform to use.

"zones 2" means a 4-car train. "zones 2,3" means 8-car.

I'm sure they didn't have that earlier in the week.

And am I the only one who finds the floor through the main
station and into the FCC station very slippery? Have to ask
Father Xmas for some new soles :-)
--
Garry Smith