On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:38:55 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

I guess the blindingly obvious answer is Dalston Junction

Well that's the name of the "new" station - same as the old one of
course. On the OS map there are two curves joining what is now the
NLL, east & west and no indication of any north route (i.e. to the
main line c. Stoke Newington).

On 15 Dec, 20:19, G wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:38:55 -0800 (PST), Mizter T

wrote:
I guess the blindingly obvious answer is Dalston Junction

Well that's the name of the "new" station - same as the old one of
course. On the OS map there are two curves joining what is now the
NLL, east & west and no indication of any north route (i.e. to the
main line c. Stoke Newington).


Yes, I was aware of that - I was really thinking about the actual name
of the railway junction. AIUI each and every railway junction - and
this includes a mere set of points - has an official name.

There wasn't ever any north route from Dalston Jn towards Stoke
Newington, so in that sense the situation at Dalston Jn isn't similar
to the arrangement at at Loughborough Junction (and there are of
course loads of other differences as well).

This entry on Disused Stations includes an old map showing both
curves:
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...on/index.shtml

There were eastern and western curves from Dalston Jn went to what is
now described as the North London Line. The western curve is the one
that will be reinstated, the eastern curve meanwhile hosts part of the
car park of the Kingsland Shopping Centre. None of the alignment of
the eastern curve has been built over (tarmac for a car park doesn't
count) so AFAICS it could be recovered - these photos illustrate that
point (note that they weren't taken by me!):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/273113135/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/273112797/


As the photographer speculates, perhaps both the eastern and western
curves were safeguarded from development? The eastern curve
potentially could come in useful in the future, so it'd might well be
a good idea to ensure it doesn't get built over in the coming years
(especially when Dalston gets popular with the arrival of the ELLX).
Of course passengers from the east who want the ELLX will find that
getting off their NLL train at Dalston Kingsland and walking the short
distance to Dalston Junction station will also do the job.

Going back to something you said - I had never considered the
possibility of a line north from Dalston Jn towards Stoke Newington,
meeting the Great Eastern line there. Of course now it ain't possible,
given all the stuff in the way, but I wonder if it was ever
considered. Probably not, given that the Stoke Newington line leads
down to Liverpool Street which was bang slap next door to the now
demolished Broad Street, terminus of the line from Dalston Jn.
Nonetheless it would have been a shorter and hence quicker route into
the City, avoiding the detour via Hackney and Bethnal Green that the
Great Eastern route takes.

Mizter T wrote:

Going back to something you said - I had never considered the
possibility of a line north from Dalston Jn towards Stoke Newington,
meeting the Great Eastern line there. Of course now it ain't possible,
given all the stuff in the way, but I wonder if it was ever
considered. Probably not, given that the Stoke Newington line leads
down to Liverpool Street which was bang slap next door to the now
demolished Broad Street, terminus of the line from Dalston Jn.
Nonetheless it would have been a shorter and hence quicker route into
the City, avoiding the detour via Hackney and Bethnal Green that the
Great Eastern route takes.

The Forest Line proposal was to extend the W&C to Broad St - Dalston
Junction - Dalston East Junction - Hackney Wick - Clapton - Chingford. It
never got off page one of the study which produced it (1960s or so).

The Forest Line proposal was to extend the W&C to Broad St - Dalston
Junction - Dalston East Junction - Hackney Wick - Clapton - Chingford. It
never got off page one of the study which produced it (1960s or so).

How was it supposed to get to Broad Street without going through the
Bank of England's vaults, or the Escalator/lift shafts for the central
line?

lonelytraveller wrote:
The Forest Line proposal was to extend the W&C to Broad St - Dalston
Junction - Dalston East Junction - Hackney Wick - Clapton -
Chingford. It never got off page one of the study which produced it
(1960s or so).

How was it supposed to get to Broad Street without going through the
Bank of England's vaults

This was mentioned near the bottom of page one.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, John Rowland wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

Going back to something you said - I had never considered the
possibility of a line north from Dalston Jn towards Stoke Newington,
meeting the Great Eastern line there.

The Forest Line proposal was to extend the W&C to Broad St - Dalston
Junction - Dalston East Junction - Hackney Wick - Clapton - Chingford.
It never got off page one of the study which produced it (1960s or so).

Interesting. Presumably, the portal was to have been south of Dalston?

Are you sure about Dalston - Hackney Wick - Clapton - Chingford? Do you
mean Downs rather than Wick? Or perhaps by Clapton you're referring to Lea
Bridge station? The former would involve a curve at Hackney Downs that
doesn't exist now and seems like it would be a bit awkward; the latter
would be a rather circuitous route for Chingfordites.

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, John Rowland wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

Going back to something you said - I had never considered the
possibility of a line north from Dalston Jn towards Stoke Newington,
meeting the Great Eastern line there.

The Forest Line proposal was to extend the W&C to Broad St - Dalston
Junction - Dalston East Junction - Hackney Wick - Clapton -
Chingford. It never got off page one of the study which produced it
(1960s or so).

Interesting. Presumably, the portal was to have been south of Dalston?

Are you sure about Dalston - Hackney Wick - Clapton - Chingford? Do
you mean Downs rather than Wick?

Yes.

On 15 Dec, 20:56, Mizter T wrote:
As the photographer speculates, perhaps both the eastern and western
curves were safeguarded from development?

Yes they are. A route to the eastern curve is included in the new
design for Dalston Junction. What I can't figure out is how access to
the Kingsland shopping centre car park and loading bays would work.
It doesn't appear to have been designed in in obvious way.

U

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