I note that these are exact change only, and as such are yet another
downgrade for those not familiar with the system or short of change.
Why is TfL getting so obsessive about making things difficult, just
like they did with the bus machines?

Neil

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On 11 Dec, 20:28, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
I note that these are exact change only, and as such are yet another
downgrade for those not familiar with the system or short of change.
Why is TfL getting so obsessive about making things difficult, just
like they did with the bus machines?

They take cards, don't they? As such, they're significantly easier
than anything relying on obsolete metal-based payment solutions...

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John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

"John B" wrote in message
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On 11 Dec, 20:28, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
I note that these are exact change only, and as such are yet another
downgrade for those not familiar with the system or short of change.
Why is TfL getting so obsessive about making things difficult, just
like they did with the bus machines?

They take cards, don't they? As such, they're significantly easier
than anything relying on obsolete metal-based payment solutions...

They also allow Oyster cards to be topped up, doubling, at least, the amount
of machines that do. To allow for the machinery to accept credit / debit
cards and deal with Oyster there is insufficent space to allow them to give
change too.

On Dec 12, 10:22 am, John B wrote:
They take cards, don't they? As such, they're significantly easier
than anything relying on obsolete metal-based payment solutions...

Ah , you're an endless source of amusement sometimes.

That "obselete metal based payment" is a shed load quicker that using
a credit card and when theres a large queue of people that matters. A
LOT!

Personally I find it intensely irritating when I'm in a queue in the
supermarket or wherever, when some dick has to pay for a few quids
worth of goods by card because they're too lazy to carry cash and so
they delay everyone else.

B2003

Robin Mayes wrote:
"John B" wrote in message
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On 11 Dec, 20:28, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
I note that these are exact change only, and as such are yet another
downgrade for those not familiar with the system or short of change.
Why is TfL getting so obsessive about making things difficult, just
like they did with the bus machines?

They take cards, don't they? As such, they're significantly easier
than anything relying on obsolete metal-based payment solutions...

They also allow Oyster cards to be topped up, doubling, at least, the
amount of machines that do. To allow for the machinery to accept
credit / debit cards and deal with Oyster there is insufficent space
to allow them to give change too.

Surely not giving change means that the machine will be fed a lot more coins
and it will have no choice but to hold onto them. This will cause it to fill
up more quickly, or require it to have more space devoted to coin holding.

On 12 Dec, 11:56, Boltar wrote:
They take cards, don't they? As such, they're significantly easier
than anything relying on obsolete metal-based payment solutions...

Ah , you're an endless source of amusement sometimes.

That "obselete metal based payment" is a shed load quicker that using
a credit card and when theres a large queue of people that matters. A
LOT!

Let's have a ticket machine race at a NR or LUL station of your
choice. I'll pay card, you can pay cash (notes, requiring change,
obviously). We'll see what the difference is...

Personally I find it intensely irritating when I'm in a queue in the
supermarket or wherever, when some dick has to pay for a few quids
worth of goods by card because they're too lazy to carry cash and so
they delay everyone else.

If everyone had the exact right change ready for their goods when they
reached the front of a queue, you might have a point.

In the real world, the process of using a card in a supermarket is
just as quick as paying cash, given people's annoying habit of
requiring change and/or not counting out the right money in
advance...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Dec 12, 1:10 pm, John B wrote:
On 12 Dec, 11:56, Boltar wrote:

They take cards, don't they? As such, they're significantly easier
than anything relying on obsolete metal-based payment solutions...

Ah , you're an endless source of amusement sometimes.

That "obselete metal based payment" is a shed load quicker that using
a credit card and when theres a large queue of people that matters. A
LOT!

Let's have a ticket machine race at a NR or LUL station of your
choice. I'll pay card, you can pay cash (notes, requiring change,
obviously). We'll see what the difference is...

I wouldn't use notes unless I had no choice, besides which you said
"metal". Last time I looked notes weren't. Even so , they'd still be
quicker than a card for small amounts. Obviously if you were buying a
100 quid long distance ticket thats different.

In the real world, the process of using a card in a supermarket is
just as quick as paying cash, given people's annoying habit of
requiring change and/or not counting out the right money in
advance...

There is that , on the other hand the number of people who can't find
their cards or can't remember the PIN when they do is quite mind
boggling.

B2003

There is that , on the other hand the number of people who can't find
their cards or can't remember the PIN when they do is quite mind
boggling.

Tell us, whats it like being perfect all the time?

Best Wishes,
LEWIS

On Dec 12, 9:20 pm, "Lew 1"
wrote:
There is that , on the other hand the number of people who can't find
their cards or can't remember the PIN when they do is quite mind
boggling.

Tell us, whats it like being perfect all the time?

Its great , you should try it - you only have to remember 4 numbers to
qualify.

B2003

"John Rowland" wrote in message
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They also allow Oyster cards to be topped up, doubling, at least, the
amount of machines that do. To allow for the machinery to accept
credit / debit cards and deal with Oyster there is insufficent space
to allow them to give change too.

Surely not giving change means that the machine will be fed a lot more
coins and it will have no choice but to hold onto them. This will cause it
to fill up more quickly, or require it to have more space devoted to coin
holding.

Most coins are £1 coins, of which, most would go into the coin vault anyway.
The chutes to hold coins for change and the mechanism for floating machines
take up quite a bit of room. The coin vault is located in the lower half of
the machine.