"Tom Anderson" wrote

Reading 13.297
Twyford 1.083
Maidenhead 3.272
Taplow 0.149
Burnham 0.822
Slough 4.448
Langley 0.482
Iver 0.111
West Drayton 0.742
Hayes & H'ton 1.229
Southall 0.865
Hanwell 0.154
West Ealing 0.384
Ealing Broadway 6.307
Acton Main Line 0.115

i.e. Twyford is busier than all intermediate stations except Maidenhead,
Slough, Hayes & H, and Ealing Bdy. That seems to be before counting
passengers transferring from the Henley branch.

While Crossrail's current position is that it will run an entirely stopping
service, I think there is a case for a mixture of semi-fast and stopping
trains, at least west of West Drayton and possibly east of Stratford.

Peter

On 15 Dec, 14:49, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote



Reading 13.297
Twyford 1.083
Maidenhead 3.272
Taplow 0.149
Burnham 0.822
Slough 4.448
Langley 0.482
Iver 0.111
West Drayton 0.742
Hayes & H'ton 1.229
Southall 0.865
Hanwell 0.154
West Ealing 0.384
Ealing Broadway 6.307
Acton Main Line 0.115

i.e. Twyford is busier than all intermediate stations except Maidenhead,
Slough, Hayes & H, and Ealing Bdy. That seems to be before counting
passengers transferring from the Henley branch.

While Crossrail's current position is that it will run an entirely stopping
service, I think there is a case for a mixture of semi-fast and stopping
trains, at least west of West Drayton and possibly east of Stratford.

Peter

A-la Thameslink's current patterns?

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Peter Masson wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote

Reading 13.297
Twyford 1.083
Maidenhead 3.272
Taplow 0.149
Burnham 0.822
Slough 4.448
Langley 0.482
Iver 0.111
West Drayton 0.742
Hayes & H'ton 1.229
Southall 0.865
Hanwell 0.154
West Ealing 0.384
Ealing Broadway 6.307
Acton Main Line 0.115

i.e. Twyford is busier than all intermediate stations except Maidenhead,
Slough, Hayes & H, and Ealing Bdy. That seems to be before counting
passengers transferring from the Henley branch.

Yes. So it should have fast trains, not Crossrail! HA! Didn't think i'd
get out of that one, did you?

Point taken, though, Twyford is a far more important station than i'd
realised.

While Crossrail's current position is that it will run an entirely
stopping service, I think there is a case for a mixture of semi-fast and
stopping trains, at least west of West Drayton and possibly east of
Stratford.

True. These could also be non-Crossrails, though: Reading/Henley - Twyford
- Maidenhead - fast to Ealing Broadway, fast to Paddington perhaps,
running on the reliefs in the large spaces between the 6 tph of Crossrail
with a little bit of flighting. As has been suggested, these could also be
the cis-Reading part of the Oxford stoppers. This would reduce the amount
of electrification and the number of new trains needed, make Crossrail a
bit simpler, and give passengers from those stations a faster ride into
London. The downside would be that there wouldn't be through trains from
beyond Maidenhead to beyond Paddington; there would be same-platform
interchange to such trains at Ealing Broadway, though.

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:

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Point taken, though, Twyford is a far more important station than i'd
realised.


It taps into a lot of traffic from the Wokingham area which would otherwise
have to take the slow service to Waterloo.

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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Graeme Wall wrote:

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Tom Anderson wrote:

Point taken, though, Twyford is a far more important station than i'd
realised.

It taps into a lot of traffic from the Wokingham area which would
otherwise have to take the slow service to Waterloo.

Ah, i see.

Hmm. It looks like a train from Wokingham to Waterloo takes 68 minutes; a
train from Twyford to Paddington which stops at Maidenhead only takes 32,
and one which stops at eight stations on the way takes 50 minutes.
Crossrail would presumably be more like 50 minutes. Would people use it
instead of the fast train? Would they even use it in place of the
Wokingham train? If not, the value of Crossrail at Twyford is maybe less
than the passenger numbers indicate. I suppose you have to factor in the
value of having a single-seat ride all the way into town against those
time differences.

tom

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retribution. -- Graham

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Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Graeme Wall wrote:

In message i
Tom Anderson wrote:

Point taken, though, Twyford is a far more important station than i'd
realised.

It taps into a lot of traffic from the Wokingham area which would
otherwise have to take the slow service to Waterloo.

Ah, i see.

Hmm. It looks like a train from Wokingham to Waterloo takes 68 minutes; a
train from Twyford to Paddington which stops at Maidenhead only takes 32,
and one which stops at eight stations on the way takes 50 minutes.
Crossrail would presumably be more like 50 minutes.

I would hope an electrified service would do better than that.

Would people use it instead of the fast train? Would they even use it in
place of the Wokingham train?

It's still around 20 minutes quicker and Twyford station is easier to access
than Wokingham. IIRC the car park at the latter takes about a dozen cars.

If not, the value of Crossrail at Twyford is maybe less than the passenger
numbers indicate. I suppose you have to factor in the value of having a
single-seat ride all the way into town against those time differences.


Total journey time should be a lot less, especially for those working in the
City.



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Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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Tom Anderson wrote:
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Would people use it instead of the fast train? Would they even use it in
place of the Wokingham train?

It's still around 20 minutes quicker and Twyford station is easier to
access
than Wokingham. IIRC the car park at the latter takes about a dozen cars.

268 according to http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/statio...ml#Interchange
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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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Tom Anderson wrote:
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Would people use it instead of the fast train? Would they even use it
in place of the Wokingham train?

It's still around 20 minutes quicker and Twyford station is easier to
access than Wokingham. IIRC the car park at the latter takes about a
dozen cars.

268 according to
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/statio...ml#Interchange

Where on earth do they put them all? It's a fairly constricted site :-)
Mind you it's around 20 years since I last ventured to that part of town.

quick shufti on Google Earth Ah, I see, they've extended the carpark
northwards, that area was going to be light industrial units at one time.

Interesting to see they have 80 cycle spaces, I wonder how well they are
used.

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Graeme Wall wrote:

In message i
Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Graeme Wall wrote:

In message i
Tom Anderson wrote:

Point taken, though, Twyford is a far more important station than i'd
realised.

It taps into a lot of traffic from the Wokingham area which would
otherwise have to take the slow service to Waterloo.

Ah, i see.

Hmm. It looks like a train from Wokingham to Waterloo takes 68 minutes; a
train from Twyford to Paddington which stops at Maidenhead only takes 32,
and one which stops at eight stations on the way takes 50 minutes.
Crossrail would presumably be more like 50 minutes.

I would hope an electrified service would do better than that.

How much difference does it make? And why? This is something that's always
puzzled me, actually - why are electric trains so much preferred to
diesels? Do they accelerate faster? I assume it's not a question of top
speed.

Would people use it instead of the fast train? Would they even use it in
place of the Wokingham train?

It's still around 20 minutes quicker and Twyford station is easier to
access than Wokingham.

Depends where you live - there seem to be a lot more houses near Wokingham
than Twyford, meaning most people in that area (if i've understood the
area you were referring to right) would be looking at a longer drive (or
even a drive rather than a walk) to get to Twyford. That offsets some of
the train's advantage.

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Graeme Wall wrote:

In message i
Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Graeme Wall wrote:

In message i
Tom Anderson wrote:

Point taken, though, Twyford is a far more important station than
i'd realised.

It taps into a lot of traffic from the Wokingham area which would
otherwise have to take the slow service to Waterloo.

Ah, i see.

Hmm. It looks like a train from Wokingham to Waterloo takes 68 minutes;
a train from Twyford to Paddington which stops at Maidenhead only takes
32, and one which stops at eight stations on the way takes 50 minutes.
Crossrail would presumably be more like 50 minutes.

I would hope an electrified service would do better than that.

How much difference does it make? And why? This is something that's always
puzzled me, actually - why are electric trains so much preferred to
diesels? Do they accelerate faster?

Generally yes.

Would people use it instead of the fast train? Would they even use it
in place of the Wokingham train?

It's still around 20 minutes quicker and Twyford station is easier to
access than Wokingham.

Depends where you live - there seem to be a lot more houses near Wokingham
than Twyford, meaning most people in that area (if i've understood the
area you were referring to right) would be looking at a longer drive (or
even a drive rather than a walk) to get to Twyford. That offsets some of
the train's advantage.


As you say, depends where you live. I'm not just referring to Wokingham
itself, there's a large area know as Wokingham Without - 'ere, stop tittering
missus!

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Graeme Wall
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