U Thant reports on his blog that:

"Another new thing in the fares leaflet is the availability of Railcard
discounted fares caps on Oyster PAYG. You'll be able to have your Young
Persons, Disabled Persons, HM Forces or Senior Railcard loaded onto your
Oyster card (no details how) and from then on the off-peak fares cap for
you will be around a third lower than normal (e.g. £3.10 vs £4.80 for
Zones 1-2). There doesn't appear to be a discount on peak caps or single
journeys."

http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...ster-payg.html

Does anyone know how this loading process will be done? Will you be able
to waltz into any LU ticket office and do it? When does this start,
beginning of 2008?
--
Michael Hoffman

On 15 Dec, 15:57, Michael Hoffman wrote:
U Thant reports on his blog that:

"Another new thing in the fares leaflet is the availability of Railcard
discounted fares caps on Oyster PAYG. You'll be able to have your Young
Persons, Disabled Persons, HM Forces or Senior Railcard loaded onto your
Oyster card (no details how) and from then on the off-peak fares cap for
you will be around a third lower than normal (e.g. £3.10 vs £4.80 for
Zones 1-2). There doesn't appear to be a discount on peak caps or single
journeys."

http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...discounts-on-o...

Does anyone know how this loading process will be done? Will you be able
to waltz into any LU ticket office and do it? When does this start,
beginning of 2008?
--
Michael Hoffman


This is also mentioned in he new TfL fares booklet for 2008, available
nowon the TfL website.

There's a recent thread about this - "Oystercard capping for railcard
holders" - on uk.railway. Unfortunately it never got crossposted to
utl. It can be read here...

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....4564387cdcead/


Details about exactly how it will all work (or not!) are sketchy, so
perhaps it's just a case of wait and see. It'll be interesting to see
if London Overground ticket offices will be able to load the discount
on to an Oyster card (I'd take it as a given that this will not be
possible at "Oyster Ticket Stops" aka newsagents).

For reasons I explain in the aforementioned thread, I'd expect that a
registered Oyster card will be necessary to take advantage of this.

I've got a Student Oyster Card and a Young Person's Railcard... one
giving me a discount on season tickets, the other one on pay as you go
tickets (as of January anyway). Am I gonig to have to use two cards or
can the two be combined somehow?

Oh well, we'll see how it goes. It's a very positive evolution anyway!

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:57:07 +0000, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

U Thant reports on his blog that:

"Another new thing in the fares leaflet is the availability of Railcard
discounted fares caps on Oyster PAYG. You'll be able to have your Young
Persons, Disabled Persons, HM Forces or Senior Railcard loaded onto your
Oyster card (no details how) and from then on the off-peak fares cap for
you will be around a third lower than normal (e.g. £3.10 vs £4.80 for
Zones 1-2). There doesn't appear to be a discount on peak caps or single
journeys."

http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...ster-payg.html

Does anyone know how this loading process will be done? Will you be able
to waltz into any LU ticket office and do it? When does this start,
beginning of 2008?

Can only be done at LU Ticket Offices with staff using the Ticket Office
Machine. Can't be done via a Passenger Operated Machine. Starts from
2/1/08. The Oyster Card must be registered. The railcard number and
expiry date are to be recorded and I assume entered into the Oyster card
so as to manage entitlement and expiry aspects of the discount.

Adult PAYG fares will be charged but there is a discounted daily off
peak cap. Note that it is only off peak travel that gains a discount
under this system.

Adult Railcard
Z12 £4.80 £3.10
Z14 £5.40 £3.50
Z16 £6.50 £4.20
Z19 £7.70 £5.00
Z19W £12.60 £8.30
Z26 £4.30 £2.80
Z29 £4.60 £3.00
Z29W £6.60 £4.30

HTH

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On 15 Dec, 19:23, sweek wrote:
I've got a Student Oyster Card and a Young Person's Railcard... one
giving me a discount on season tickets, the other one on pay as you go
tickets (as of January anyway). Am I gonig to have to use two cards or
can the two be combined somehow?

Oh well, we'll see how it goes. It's a very positive evolution anyway!


I have no inside information whatsoever, but I'd bet on you being able
to have both discounts (Student + YPR) on the one card. After all,
there'll be a large number of people in your position, so it's hardly
something that the fares people won't have considered.

Paul Corfield wrote:

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:57:07 +0000, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

U Thant reports on his blog that:

"Another new thing in the fares leaflet is the availability of Railcard
discounted fares caps on Oyster PAYG. You'll be able to have your Young
Persons, Disabled Persons, HM Forces or Senior Railcard loaded onto your
Oyster card (no details how) and from then on the off-peak fares cap for
you will be around a third lower than normal (e.g. GBP3.10 vs GBP4.80 for
Zones 1-2). There doesn't appear to be a discount on peak caps or single
journeys."

http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...ster-payg.html

Does anyone know how this loading process will be done? Will you be able
to waltz into any LU ticket office and do it? When does this start,
beginning of 2008?

Can only be done at LU Ticket Offices with staff using the Ticket Office
Machine. Can't be done via a Passenger Operated Machine. Starts from
2/1/08. The Oyster Card must be registered. The railcard number and
expiry date are to be recorded and I assume entered into the Oyster card
so as to manage entitlement and expiry aspects of the discount.

Thanks for the info. I wonder if TfL might share a limited amount of
information with ATOC for the administration of this - e.g. attempt to
match up the registered Oyster card holder with the details given for
the Railcard holder?

I'm also wondering whether such users will have to carry their
Railcard with them as well? Whilst not technically necessary, I'd
presume that they would, otherwise there's the potential for fraud.

If the Railcard number is entered on to the Oyster card, then if the
Railcard gets replaced after being stolen/lost, the holder would
presumably have to go and update the details held on the Oyster card
so that they tally with the replacement Railcard. There would also
have to be a mechanism whereby the Railcard discount flag on an Oyster
cards could be revoked at the request of the holder, if for example
they've lost their Railcard and don't get a replacement.


Adult PAYG fares will be charged but there is a discounted daily off
peak cap. Note that it is only off peak travel that gains a discount
under this system.

Which makes sense as the Railcards only offer reductions for off-peak
Day Travelcards.

Those who have a Railcard discount on their Oyster will find there are
even more journey combinations where they'll pay a pre-0930 peak time
fare or two and then be capped at the relevant off-peak cap for the
rest of their day's travels.


Adult Railcard
Z12 �4.80 �3.10
Z14 �5.40 �3.50
Z16 �6.50 �4.20
Z19 �7.70 �5.00
Z19W �12.60 �8.30
Z26 �4.30 �2.80
Z29 �4.60 �3.00
Z29W �6.60 �4.30

HTH

--
Paul C


Aha, the first sighting of the thus far elusive "zone W" (for Watford
Junction) in a fares table!

Do you have the non-discounted capping levels for "zone W" fares at
all?

Paul Corfield wrote:

Can only be done at LU Ticket Offices with staff using the Ticket Office
Machine. Can't be done via a Passenger Operated Machine. Starts from
2/1/08. The Oyster Card must be registered. The railcard number and
expiry date are to be recorded and I assume entered into the Oyster card
so as to manage entitlement and expiry aspects of the discount.

Thanks a lot for the info, Paul.
--
Michael Hoffman

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:45:00 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:

[snip]

Thanks for the info. I wonder if TfL might share a limited amount of
information with ATOC for the administration of this - e.g. attempt to
match up the registered Oyster card holder with the details given for
the Railcard holder?

I doubt it. The policy to use ticket offices for this encoding task is
contrary to the general policy of reducing sales via ticket offices. I
don't even know if ATOC maintain any sort of database for railcard sales
and I can't see money being spent of sharing info or trying to link
databases.

I'm also wondering whether such users will have to carry their
Railcard with them as well? Whilst not technically necessary, I'd
presume that they would, otherwise there's the potential for fraud.

The document I have seen makes no mention of the detailed rules but it
would seem sensible that they do.

If the Railcard number is entered on to the Oyster card, then if the
Railcard gets replaced after being stolen/lost, the holder would
presumably have to go and update the details held on the Oyster card
so that they tally with the replacement Railcard. There would also
have to be a mechanism whereby the Railcard discount flag on an Oyster
cards could be revoked at the request of the holder, if for example
they've lost their Railcard and don't get a replacement.

I suspect the simplest functionality will simply switch off the discount
after the expiry date. To maintain or remove the discount entitlement
I'd guess the customer will have to go back to a ticket office for
reactivation for a further year / cancellation (as appropriate). I doubt
the system will generate any message to the passenger advising of the
impending end of validity or any other message.

Adult Railcard
Z12 ?4.80 ?3.10
Z14 ?5.40 ?3.50
Z16 ?6.50 ?4.20
Z19 ?7.70 ?5.00
Z19W ?12.60 ?8.30
Z26 ?4.30 ?2.80
Z29 ?4.60 ?3.00
Z29W ?6.60 ?4.30

Aha, the first sighting of the thus far elusive "zone W" (for Watford
Junction) in a fares table!

Note that "W" is not going to be advertised to the public or used on any
publicity. The info is from an internal publication.

Do you have the non-discounted capping levels for "zone W" fares at
all?

rummage

Pk Adult Pk Child Pk 16+/New deal NR Railcard
Z18W £17.10 £8.30 £8.30 £17.10
Z28W £11.30 £3.00 £5.60 £11.30

OP Adult OP Child OP 16+/New Deal NR Railcard
Z18W £12.60 £6.00 £6.00 £8.30
Z28W £6.60 £2.00 £3.30 £4.30

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:

I doubt it. The policy to use ticket offices for this encoding task is
contrary to the general policy of reducing sales via ticket offices. I
don't even know if ATOC maintain any sort of database for railcard sales

They definitely do. I've even received junk mail because of it.
--
Michael Hoffman

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

Adult PAYG fares will be charged but there is a discounted daily off
peak cap. Note that it is only off peak travel that gains a
discount under this system.

Off-peak being defined how for this purpose, pray?

--
Colin Rosenstiel