Colin Rosenstiel wrote
(Michael R N Dolbear) wrote:

I'm an Surrey SWT user and the CDR/ODTC difference has always been
(until the cash tube fare increase) more than two zone 1 cash tube
fares and thus could never have been as little as 90p in 2001. It
seems Cambridge started very cheap and ended up more than SWT.

The difference (from Walton-on-Thames) is currently £3.50 (after
11:30), £4.00 (after 09:30) and £5.70 (before 09:30).

Yes, I thought the NSE Day Travelcard (originally Capitalcard) scheme
was
to add two zone 1 tube fares, so have never understood the Cambridge
rates.

As I noted it was always more than two zone 1 tube fares so the SWT
stations offered both; an add on to anywhere in zone 1 or a ODTC. Now
of course the choice is only worth offering with a peak ticket.

Can you get these fares from the nationalrail web site? From
Cambridge I
can't, presumably because it only offers the discounted 'one'-only
travelcard instead.

Certainly the Peak and CDR could be seen on National Rail, but
initially when SWT brought in the 'shoulder' fare increase (after 9:30
and before about 11:30) in May the 'super off peak' fare wasn't shown.
Don't know if it's been enhanced since.

It seems it hasn't ( tried a return day trip Walton-on-Thames to
Hadley Wood which couldn't offer a fare after 11:30 but did offer a
ODTC option before then).

Also a silly message
==Please be aware, you may need to buy separate tickets for this
journey, as a through ticket may not be available. If you don't want to
travel via this route, click 'Restart journey' at the bottom of the
page and try again.==

http://www.thetrainline.com did it right

Super off peak ODTC £10.00 (sop CDR £6.50)
(point to point) CDR £10.70
Off peak ODTC £11.60 (CDR 7.60)
peak TC £16.10 (SDR £10.40)


--
Mike D

In article 01c840e4$3319a920$46d3403e@default, (Michael
R N Dolbear) wrote:

Also a silly message
==Please be aware, you may need to buy separate tickets for this
journey, as a through ticket may not be available. If you don't
want to travel via this route, click 'Restart journey' at the bottom
of the page and try again.==

Yes, that message is getting increasingly stupid in its application. I
got it on a through journey from Cambridge to Putney with through fares
offered!

http://www.thetrainline.com did it right

Super off peak ODTC £10.00 (sop CDR £6.50)
(point to point) CDR £10.70
Off peak ODTC £11.60 (CDR 7.60)

But you have to be registered to get any information there and separately
for each TOC to trainline link. I can't be arsed to set up so many
separate logons.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
http://www.thetrainline.com did it right
But you have to be registered to get any information there and separately
for each TOC to trainline link. I can't be arsed to set up so many
separate logons.

http://www.qjump.trainsfares.co.uk/ still works and requires no registration
unless you want to buy tickets.

http://www.nationalexpresseastcoast.com/ has a non-Trainline booking system
that doesn't require registration to lookup.

Theo

In article ,
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

That differential has risen steadily. In 2007 the undiscounted cheap
day
return and off-peak Day Travelcard fares are £18 and £22.50
respectively, a difference now of £4.50, five times as much as 6
years ago. For railcard users the difference now is £3.30, five and
half times as much as 60p!

Oops! Memory error at line 2. The undiscounted off-peak Day Travelcard
fare is £23 this year, not £22.50.

a difference now of £4.50, five times as much as 6 years ago.

and the difference is £5 now, 5 and a half times as much as 6 years ago.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:38 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

When I started working (part time) in London in 2001 an off-peak Day
Travelcard from Cambridge cost just 60p more (with Network Card discount)
than a cheap day return to London Terminals. I guess the difference
without railcard discount was 90p.

That differential has risen steadily. In 2007 the undiscounted cheap day
return and off-peak Day Travelcard fares are £18 and £22.50 respectively,
a difference now of £4.50, five times as much as 6 years ago. For
railcard users the difference now is £3.30, five and half times as much
as 60p!

From January, FCC tell me, the CDR remains at £18 while the off-peak Day
Travelcard increases to £24, widening the difference to £6, or £3.95 with
railcard discount. Meanwhile the Peak Travelcard goes up from £34.50 to
£36, the same increase in cash but a £1 less of a margin because the SDR
goes up from £28 to £29.

Odd. From Hassocks a ODT with Senior Railcard for FCC only is £10.55,
whereas a FCC only CDR is £9.90. That's an add-on of 65p, which I
consider exceptionally good value.
--
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:38 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

From January, FCC tell me, the CDR remains at £18 while the off-peak
Day Travelcard increases to £24, widening the difference to £6, or
£3.95 with railcard discount. Meanwhile the Peak Travelcard goes up
from £34.50 to £36, the same increase in cash but a £1 less of a
margin because the SDR goes up from £28 to £29.

Odd. From Hassocks a ODT with Senior Railcard for FCC only is £10.55,
whereas a FCC only CDR is £9.90. That's an add-on of 65p, which I
consider exceptionally good value.

Aren't those fares set by Southern rather than FCC?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:23 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:38 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

From January, FCC tell me, the CDR remains at £18 while the off-peak
Day Travelcard increases to £24, widening the difference to £6, or
£3.95 with railcard discount. Meanwhile the Peak Travelcard goes up
from £34.50 to £36, the same increase in cash but a £1 less of a
margin because the SDR goes up from £28 to £29.

Odd. From Hassocks a ODT with Senior Railcard for FCC only is £10.55,
whereas a FCC only CDR is £9.90. That's an add-on of 65p, which I
consider exceptionally good value.

Aren't those fares set by Southern rather than FCC?

Not the "FCC only" ones, which are not available before 10:00. The
"Any Permitted" SNR ODT, which is also "Not Gatwick Express" costs
£13.05. I don't know the current SNR CDR price. Before the last price
rise, the SNR ODT was £12.30 and the SNR CDR was £10.15. The FCC only
discount changed somewhere along the way.
--
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org