On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Lew 1 wrote:

(OT) A waste of money though - surely Thameslink still exists as the
name of the National Rail route.

It does... but it's far less prominent now. The trains don't have it
written on them any more and announcements etc. don't mention it.
Besides which, once the Thameslink work is all finished, the thameslink
route could mean trains to any number of destinations rather then the
fairly simple route it refers to at the moment.

All of which will pass through Farringdon, though. And vice versa, every
train which passes through Farringdon will be on the Thameslink route.

Unless the plan is to rebrand (debrand?) things so that the new routes
won't be called Thameslink?

tom

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Lew 1 wrote:

(OT) A waste of money though - surely Thameslink still exists as the
name of the National Rail route.

It does... but it's far less prominent now. The trains don't have it
written on them any more and announcements etc. don't mention it. Besides
which, once the Thameslink work is all finished, the thameslink route
could mean trains to any number of destinations rather then the fairly
simple route it refers to at the moment.

All of which will pass through Farringdon, though. And vice versa, every
train which passes through Farringdon will be on the Thameslink route.

Unless the plan is to rebrand (debrand?) things so that the new routes
won't be called Thameslink?


Crossrail 1 sounds good to me... g

Paul S

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, Paul Scott wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Lew 1 wrote:

(OT) A waste of money though - surely Thameslink still exists as the
name of the National Rail route.

It does... but it's far less prominent now. The trains don't have it
written on them any more and announcements etc. don't mention it. Besides
which, once the Thameslink work is all finished, the thameslink route
could mean trains to any number of destinations rather then the fairly
simple route it refers to at the moment.

All of which will pass through Farringdon, though. And vice versa, every
train which passes through Farringdon will be on the Thameslink route.

Unless the plan is to rebrand (debrand?) things so that the new routes
won't be called Thameslink?

Crossrail 1 sounds good to me... g

Crossrail 0!

tom

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Ohhh - I like what they have done with the canary wharf jubilee/DLR
interchange now. Far more accurate!

wrote:

Ohhh - I like what they have done with the canary
wharf jubilee/DLR interchange now. Far more accurate!

But they haven't done the same thing at Bow Church/Bow Road.

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, John Rowland wrote:

wrote:

Ohhh - I like what they have done with the canary
wharf jubilee/DLR interchange now. Far more accurate!

But they haven't done the same thing at Bow Church/Bow Road.

No. What they've done there is quite weird, actually - shown them as an
actual interchange, two blobs connected by a stick, like Baker Street or
Embankment. Looking around the map, i see they've done the same thing at
Tower Hill / Gateway, Shadwell, and Shepherd's Bush (between the Central
and WLL stations - the H&C station is miles off to the south!), none of
which are true interchanges. West Hampstead, on the other hand, is shown
in the same style as Canary Wharf, although there's one name label shared
between the NLL and Jubilee stations (which also has a rail flash for
Thameslink) rather than a separate name on each station, as at Canary
Wharf. Both the stations at West Hampstead are shown as interchange
circles, despite only having one line going through them - either the
walking distance counts as a connector and qualifies them from interchange
status, or that reflects the presence of an NR interchange [1].

Paddington, maddeningly, remains two entirely separate blobs (H&C and
Circle-Bakerloo), each with their own names, rail flashes and airport
icons. No walking distance is given. Ditto the two Edgware Roads. There is
also no walking distance between Marylebone to Baker Street, despite it
being, AIUI, a valid outerchange, nor the close-but-no-outerchange pairs
at Walthamstow Central / Queens Road and Seven Sisters / South Tottenham.

My guess would be that they've put a distance on at Canary Wharf because
without it, people will walk to the wrong DLR station. They've done it at
West Hampstead because they want to big up the Overground, but why haven't
they marked the two oportunities in the northeast?

They haven't put a rail flash on Hackney Central, despite it being as
close to Hackney Downs as Clapham North is to Clapham High Street (ish -
it's a bit further, but it takes the same time, because in Hackney you'll
be running). *******s.

tom

[1] I realise this is now getting pedantic beyond the call of duty. No
extra charge!

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, John Rowland wrote:

wrote:

Ohhh - I like what they have done with the canary
wharf jubilee/DLR interchange now. Far more accurate!

But they haven't done the same thing at Bow Church/Bow Road.

No. What they've done there is quite weird, actually - shown them as an
actual interchange, two blobs connected by a stick, like Baker Street or
Embankment. Looking around the map, i see they've done the same thing at
Tower Hill / Gateway, Shadwell, and Shepherd's Bush (between the Central
and WLL stations - the H&C station is miles off to the south!), none of
which are true interchanges.

With a bit of luck people will only be getting off the Central line and
heading for the yet to open WLL for a few weeks, until the Central Line
station closes for 6 months. Do these maps out on the system get temporarily
patched, like the carriage line diagrams, or reprinted completely?

Paul S

John Rowland wrote
wrote:

Ohhh - I like what they have done with the canary
wharf jubilee/DLR interchange now. Far more accurate!

But they haven't done the same thing at Bow Church/Bow Road.

Doesn't it at least say 200m ?
Looking at the "Tube Map" in the London Overground timetable booklet
(and see also West Hampstead).

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Mike D

It does... but it's far less prominent now. The trains don't have it
written on them any more and announcements etc. don't mention it.
Besides which, once the Thameslink work is all finished, the thameslink
route could mean trains to any number of destinations rather then the
fairly simple route it refers to at the moment.

All of which will pass through Farringdon, though. And vice versa, every
train which passes through Farringdon will be on the Thameslink route.

Makes no difference, the name "Thameslink" refers to Brighton / Sutton to
Bedford. Trains going to Peterborough have never been called Thameslink or
part of the Thameslink route, so still calling it Thameslink will be
confusing, especially since the operator won't be called Thameslink either.
Pasting over that sign was a very sensible thing to do.

Best Wishes,
LEWIS

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Lew 1 wrote:

It does... but it's far less prominent now. The trains don't have it
written on them any more and announcements etc. don't mention it.
Besides which, once the Thameslink work is all finished, the thameslink
route could mean trains to any number of destinations rather then the
fairly simple route it refers to at the moment.

All of which will pass through Farringdon, though. And vice versa, every
train which passes through Farringdon will be on the Thameslink route.

Makes no difference, the name "Thameslink" refers to Brighton / Sutton to
Bedford.

Er, what? That's what it refers to now, sure. When trains are running from
King's Lynn to Guildford or whatever, it'll refer to those too.

Trains going to Peterborough have never been called Thameslink or
part of the Thameslink route,

No, because they haven't been part of it. They are set to become part of
it.

so still calling it Thameslink will be confusing,

No, not calling it Thameslink when it's part of the same operation as
Brighton to Beford will be confusing.

especially since the operator won't be called Thameslink either.

True. And stupidly, NR doesn't seem at all keen on giving lines public
names distinct from their operators, which would be a continuing use for
the Thameslink name.

tom

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