In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

Though LUL contracts Network Rail to signal the line from East Putney
(or from Putney Bridge in fact) down to Wimbledon, so theoretically at
least there could be a slightly more co-ordinated approach (or just a
jam of backed up District line trains being held at East Putney so a
diverted SWT service can get down there first).

ITYF that the signalling from Putney Bridge to East Putney is to LUL
standards these days, not NR's.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

MIG wrote:
On 14 Jan, 20:06, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman
pleasereplytogroup wrote:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...k-closures.pdf
has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City)

- though actually that is not currently included in the latest LU list
of closures for "this weekend" (19/20 Jan)

- No Circle - Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall
which frees up the required paths from East Putney.

The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing
at Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?).

No, you can only enter Triangle Sidings from the westbound (from High St
Ken) direction. East-to-west reversing at Earl's Court takes place just
east of the station on the inner eastbound track, i.e. trains depart
from platform 2 and reverse into platform 3. It limits operational
flexibility in the station area, though at one time Olympia trains used
to do this all the time.

Or it could just mean that Earls Court to Wimbledon is covered by
trains from the Victoria direction.

Yes, that's more likely.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:
MIG wrote:
On 14 Jan, 20:06, Charles Ellson
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman
pleasereplytogroup wrote:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...k-closures.pdf
has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City)

- though actually that is not currently included in the latest LU
list of closures for "this weekend" (19/20 Jan)

Oops, sorry. I'd lost track of the fact that this thread related to
Easter weekend, March 21-24. My other comments are still relevant.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On Jan 14, 8:06 pm, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup
wrote:



"Paul Scott" wrote in
:

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6
tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced
District Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to
Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per
hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at
Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via
Kingston)."

info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track-
closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's
Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which
frees up the required paths from East Putney.

The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing at
Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?).

The Edgware Road service will be diverted to run Edgware Road -
Olympia, the last time this TTN was used I'm sure they were every 10
minutes.
There will be no Olympia-High St Ken shuttle.

Reversing at Earl's Court is impossible and detraining at High St
Kensington to reverse at Triangle is not a good idea.

On Jan 14, 8:41 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
,

(Mizter T) wrote:
Though LUL contracts Network Rail to signal the line from East Putney
(or from Putney Bridge in fact) down to Wimbledon, so theoretically at
least there could be a slightly more co-ordinated approach (or just a
jam of backed up District line trains being held at East Putney so a
diverted SWT service can get down there first).

ITYF that the signalling from Putney Bridge to East Putney is to LUL
standards these days, not NR's.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

The signalling is operated by Network Rail and their rules and
operational procedures apply. Maintenance and faults are dealt with by
Metronet (though it was previously sub-contracted out under Railtrack
I believe).

Under the PPP Upgrades there will need to be more frequent trains (so
that the Infraco can get extra money through improving journey times).
One way of doing this is installing the new SSR signalling down to
Wimbledon.
It has not yet been decided if LUL will then take over the operation
of the line.

Also under PPP Upgrades, tripcocks will go, being replaced by ATP.

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Mizter T wrote:

On 14 Jan, 18:02, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message

...

Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take
full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as
at SSL resignalling?

My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was
handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached
with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line

There was a discussion recently that quoted TfL as saying SWT wouldn't
be allowed on the line after resignalling unless they fitted all their
stock (that might need to use the line) with trip cocks...

I was under the vague impression that the LU SSLs were ditching the
whole trip cock system altogether.

They are. They just put that restriction in to get a rise out of SWT.

tom

--
Transform your language.

On 14 Jan, 18:51, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote :

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6
tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced
District Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to
Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per
hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at
Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via
Kingston)."

info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track-
closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's
Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edgware Road-Wimbledon service won't run at all which
frees up the required paths from East Putney.

David


First thing I did was look that up. If there were no District line
trains between Wimbledon and Earls Court, the PDF would explicitly say
so. It doesn't, so there will be.

at SSL resignalling?

the LU SSLs were ditching the
whole trip cock system altogether.

When the line transferred the new SSL signalling was not defined
either technically or in timescale.

--
Nick

Mizter T wrote:
On 14 Jan, 18:51, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote :

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6
tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced
District Line service?
"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to
Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per
hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at
Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via
Kingston)."
info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track-
closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's
Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edgware Road-Wimbledon service won't run at all which
frees up the required paths from East Putney.

David


First thing I did was look that up. If there were no District line
trains between Wimbledon and Earls Court, the PDF would explicitly say
so. It doesn't, so there will be.

Yes, but remember that even if the Wimblewares are taken off. There will
still be Upminster/Barking/TowerHill to Wimbledons running

On 15 Jan, 07:28, Mark B wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
On 14 Jan, 18:51, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote:

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6
tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced
District Line service?
"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to
Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per
hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at
Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via
Kingston)."
info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track-
closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's
Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edgware Road-Wimbledon service won't run at all which
frees up the required paths from East Putney.

David

First thing I did was look that up. If there were no District line
trains between Wimbledon and Earls Court, the PDF would explicitly say
so. It doesn't, so there will be.

Yes, but remember that even if the Wimblewares are taken off. There will
still be Upminster/Barking/TowerHill to Wimbledons running


Yes, of course - that's a good point, and in that context David
Jackman's comment make sense (so sorry David!).