On Jan 22, 11:59*am, Mwmbwls wrote:
On Jan 18, 4:40*pm, "Paul Scott"
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http://www.publications.parliament.u...srd/cm080117/d....

Local MP's expressed their frustration at the Government's apparent
inability to come up with a seamless solution to Eurostars withdrawel
from Waterloo - they also pressed for the rebuilding of Clapham
Junction. *Airtrack I suspect will also be contingent on resolving
these bottlenecks but that was not mentioned. Should all three
projects should been combined in a Thameslink style Masterplan?

That omission is probably because (IIRC) Airtrack requires neither the
international platforms or Clapham alterations, because it will an extension
to, or diversions of existing SWT services. It doesn't get any dedicated
track etc, other than the western curve at Staines towards the airport.
Operationally it will be much more like Heathrow Connect rather than
Heathrow Express

Today's Wimbledon Guardian moves the story forward. I hope that
Network Rail decide; in the same way that London Bridge is being
rebuilt for expanded through line running whilst at the same time as the
property air rights are developed, to use the funds made available to
move and rebuild as opposed to tinker with Clapham Junction. The
excessive gap on Platform 17 has to go.

http://www.wimbledonguardian.co.uk/n...display.var.19...

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Twin towers for Clapham Junction?
By Paul Cahalan
Clapham Junction will have its own 39-storey twin towers, if an
ambitious project gets the go-ahead.
As well as the skyscapers developers are also planning a two-floor
shopping plaza and a face-lift for Clapham Junction Station.
The group behind the proposals have labelled the project "A new heart
for Battersea", but at 127 metres the towers' height has raised
concerns.
A spokesman for developers Metro Shopping Fund - a joint venture
between Delancey and Land Securities - said: "This is a one-off
opportunity to aid the regeneration of Clapham Junction town centre
and facilitate significant improvements to the railway station.
"Being located at a major transport interchange significantly reduces
the need for car travel and substantial cycle parking facilities will
be provided . . . and at least 20 per cent of the energy used will
come from renewable sources."
He added the plans were backed by Network Rail.
Chairman of the Battersea Society, Harvey Heath, said: "It is too
early for us to take a position. We have some issues to raise and
height is possibly the biggest, as well as the lack of bus station. We
believe there should be a bus interchange facility also."
If approved a two-level pedestrian street will have shops, open air
cafes and bars - and provide access to 37 residential floors providing
500 flats.
The station will have two new entrances at Grant Road and St John's
Hill - the latter being set in the listed Brighton Building.
Escalators will be installed between a new ticket hall and
improvements would also be made to the subway.
Lifts will also be installed to provide access to all 17 platforms
from the footbridge.
The proposals will be exhibited to the public from January 23 to the
26 at the Shop Stop centre at Clapham Junction before an application
is submitted around April.
Plans for a 37 and 29 storey block on the site of the Ram Brewery in
Wandsworth Town are also in progress.
Planners Minerva will submit an application to Wandsworth Council
around the same time the Clapham Junction plans are submitted.
Details of the development can be viewed at theheartofbattersea.co.uk
Exhibition dates and times 2pm-8pm - Wednesday 23 and Thursday 24
January 12pm-6pm - Friday 25 January 10am-2pm - Saturday 26 January.
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Clapham Junction will have its own 39-storey twin towers, if an
ambitious project gets the go-ahead.
As well as the skyscapers developers are also planning a two-floor
shopping plaza and a face-lift for Clapham Junction Station.
The group behind the proposals have labelled the project "A new heart
for Battersea", but at 127 metres the towers' height has raised
concerns.
A spokesman for developers Metro Shopping Fund - a joint venture
between Delancey and Land Securities - said: "This is a one-off
opportunity to aid the regeneration of Clapham Junction town centre
and facilitate significant improvements to the railway station.
"Being located at a major transport interchange significantly reduces
the need for car travel and substantial cycle parking facilities will
be provided . . . and at least 20 per cent of the energy used will
come from renewable sources."
He added the plans were backed by Network Rail.
Chairman of the Battersea Society, Harvey Heath, said: "It is too
early for us to take a position. We have some issues to raise and
height is possibly the biggest, as well as the lack of bus station. We
believe there should be a bus interchange facility also."
If approved a two-level pedestrian street will have shops, open air
cafes and bars - and provide access to 37 residential floors providing
500 flats.
The station will have two new entrances at Grant Road and St John's
Hill - the latter being set in the listed Brighton Building.
Escalators will be installed between a new ticket hall and
improvements would also be made to the subway.
Lifts will also be installed to provide access to all 17 platforms
from the footbridge.
The proposals will be exhibited to the public from January 23 to the
26 at the Shop Stop centre at Clapham Junction before an application
is submitted around April.
Plans for a 37 and 29 storey block on the site of the Ram Brewery in
Wandsworth Town are also in progress.
Planners Minerva will submit an application to Wandsworth Council
around the same time the Clapham Junction plans are submitted.
Details of the development can be viewed at theheartofbattersea.co.uk
Exhibition dates and times 2pm-8pm - Wednesday 23 and Thursday 24
January 12pm-6pm - Friday 25 January 10am-2pm - Saturday 26 January.

I hope the plans will allow properly for future train services. For example,
will Crossrail 2 serve Clapham Junction, and if so, which platforms? Will
there be 3 or 4 tracks for the SWML fast trains, and will platform 7 be made
more suitable for them, peraps with 8 made reversible? Will platform lengths
be increased, e.g. to 10 car on the SWML Slow Lines, the Windsor Lines, and
the Brighton Slow Lines, and longer than 12 (16, with provision to use the
International platforms at Waterloo?) for platforms 7, 8 and 9? Will the
Watford to Clapham Junction service continue to run beyond Clapham Junction
(in which case platforms 16 and 17 need to be improved, particularly
straightened) or not (in which case provision needs to be made to terminate
them in 16).

Peter

Peter Masson wrote:
"Mwmbwls" wrote

Clapham Junction will have its own 39-storey twin towers, if an
ambitious project gets the go-ahead.

I hope the plans will allow properly for future train services. For
example, will Crossrail 2 serve Clapham Junction, and if so, which
platforms? Will there be 3 or 4 tracks for the SWML fast trains, and
will platform 7 be made more suitable for them, peraps with 8 made
reversible? Will platform lengths be increased, e.g. to 10 car on the
SWML Slow Lines, the Windsor Lines, and the Brighton Slow Lines, and
longer than 12 (16, with provision to use the International platforms
at Waterloo?) for platforms 7, 8 and 9? Will the Watford to Clapham
Junction service continue to run beyond Clapham Junction (in which
case platforms 16 and 17 need to be improved, particularly
straightened) or not (in which case provision needs to be made to
terminate them in 16).


Great list of problems with the actual station Peter, but I suspect having
read the article these proposals are yet another of those 'air rights'
sales, and nothing much to do with operational use of the station.

One point though, is that Crossrail probably won't serve CJ, the published
protected alignment is to take over the District Line from Parsons Green to
Wimbledon...

Paul S

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Peter Masson wrote:
"Mwmbwls" wrote

Clapham Junction will have its own 39-storey twin towers, if an
ambitious project gets the go-ahead.

I hope the plans will allow properly for future train services.

Great list of problems with the actual station Peter, but I suspect having
read the article these proposals are yet another of those 'air rights'
sales, and nothing much to do with operational use of the station.

One point though, is that Crossrail probably won't serve CJ, the published
protected alignment is to take over the District Line from Parsons Green
to
Wimbledon...

Even an air rights scheme needs to take account of future needs at platform
level. Unless there is intention to use skyhooks technology someone needs to
decide where to put the columns which will hold the buildings up.

I thought one option for Crossrail 2 was to run Wimbledon - East Putney -
Wandsworth Town - Clapham Junction before tunnelling to Chelsea and on to
Hackney, and I hadn't heard that this option had been abandoned.

Peter

On Jan 22, 4:08*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:

Even an air rights scheme needs to take account of future needs at platform
level. Unless there is intention to use skyhooks technology someone needs to
decide where to put the columns which will hold the buildings up.

I thought one option for Crossrail 2 was to run Wimbledon - East Putney -
Wandsworth Town - Clapham Junction before tunnelling to Chelsea and on to
Hackney, and I hadn't heard that this option had been abandoned.

Bang on as usual Peter. Now if only there were recognised expert media
savvy commentators - perhaps even a journalist or two - with extensive
industry and political contacts capable of drawing the necessarily
simple picture for every MP and Councillor in the Exeter - Eastbourne
- Westminster Triangle. They could point out the window of
opportunity and the need for getting the fundamentals right. If only
there were candidates for Mayor who could see the scope for major
improvements in south London's infrastructure as being a vote winner.
If only they were subscribers to this group .....if only.........

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Mwmbwls wrote:

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Now if only there were recognised expert media
savvy commentators - perhaps even a journalist or two - with extensive
industry and political contacts capable of drawing the necessarily
simple picture for every MP and Councillor in the Exeter - Eastbourne
- Westminster Triangle. They could point out the window of
opportunity and the need for getting the fundamentals right. If only
there were candidates for Mayor who could see the scope for major
improvements in south London's infrastructure as being a vote winner.
If only they were subscribers to this group .....if only.........

You think Ken Livingstone might subscribe to this group?

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

On Jan 22, 5:56*pm, Graeme Wall wrote:
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* * * * * Mwmbwls wrote:
If only
there were candidates for Mayor who could see the scope for major
improvements in south London's infrastructure as being a vote winner.
If only they were subscribers to this group .....if only.........

You think Ken Livingstone might subscribe to this group?

Hard to tell - On this group from time to time there are proposals for
outrageous public expenditure followed by snappy vituperative
exchanges. No - on reflection I think he'd fit right in :-)

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Mwmbwls wrote:

On Jan 22, 5:56*pm, Graeme Wall wrote:
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* * * * * Mwmbwls wrote:
If only
there were candidates for Mayor who could see the scope for major
improvements in south London's infrastructure as being a vote winner.
If only they were subscribers to this group .....if only.........

You think Ken Livingstone might subscribe to this group?

Hard to tell - On this group from time to time there are proposals for
outrageous public expenditure followed by snappy vituperative
exchanges. No - on reflection I think he'd fit right in :-)

Boris, on the other hand...

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008, Graeme Wall wrote:

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Mwmbwls wrote:

On Jan 22, 5:56*pm, Graeme Wall wrote:
In message
* * * * * Mwmbwls wrote:

If only there were candidates for Mayor who could see the scope for
major improvements in south London's infrastructure as being a vote
winner. If only they were subscribers to this group .....if
only.........

You think Ken Livingstone might subscribe to this group?

Hard to tell - On this group from time to time there are proposals for
outrageous public expenditure followed by snappy vituperative
exchanges. No - on reflection I think he'd fit right in :-)

Boris, on the other hand...

Is a mouthy plonker in finest usenet tradition!

tom

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Science is bound, by the everlasting vow of honour, to face fearlessly
every problem which can be fairly presented to it. -- Lord Kelvin

On 22 Jan, 18:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
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On Jan 22, 5:56*pm, Graeme Wall wrote:
Boris, on the other hand...

Well the group does have an expert understanding of the aromatic
armpit implications of PIXC as does the honourable Member for Henley -
We are virulent critics of the gouging of commuters by TOC as does
etc.... We also suffer from outbreaks of rampant nostalgia as does the
honourable member as he looks in vain for a guards van to transport
his bike. Yes - he'll fit in as well - we are, after all, a Broad-
Gauge Church.