In message , Nick
Hewitt writes

5) Where was Riverside Garage? I thought it was somewhere on the
one-way system surrounding the current bus station, but a photograph I
saw said it was on Talgarth Road.

It was in Great Church Street which is indeed on the present one-way
system. It was just to the east of the exit from the new Hammersmith Bus
Station (see other post).

6) Where was Hammersmith depot? I am talking about the former
trolleybus & BEA coach garage. Was it in Great Church Lane?

No, it was certainly not the same garage as Riverside - I think the bus
garage was renamed as "Riverside" in order to avoid confusion between
the two.

I'm almost certain that the trolleybus depot was in Shepherd's Bush
Road, next to the old Osram Lamp Factory (now Tesco) facing Brook Green,
and backing onto more LT land (the Hammersmith & City line depot).
There's a picture at http://www.trolleybus.net/resume.htm (scroll down
to the bottom left).

--
Paul Terry

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In message , Nick
Hewitt writes

5) Where was Riverside Garage? I thought it was somewhere on the
one-way system surrounding the current bus station, but a photograph I
saw said it was on Talgarth Road.

It was in Great Church Street which is indeed on the present one-way
system. It was just to the east of the exit from the new Hammersmith Bus
Station (see other post).

6) Where was Hammersmith depot? I am talking about the former
trolleybus & BEA coach garage. Was it in Great Church Lane?

No, it was certainly not the same garage as Riverside - I think the bus
garage was renamed as "Riverside" in order to avoid confusion between
the two.

I'm almost certain that the trolleybus depot was in Shepherd's Bush
Road, next to the old Osram Lamp Factory (now Tesco) facing Brook Green,
and backing onto more LT land (the Hammersmith & City line depot).
There's a picture at http://www.trolleybus.net/resume.htm (scroll down
to the bottom left).

Afraid it wasn't! The old trolleybus depot and adjacent buildings were
located on the east side of the District/Picc. tube station. They were all
demolished when the current Hammersmith one-way system was developed. The
road now called Butterwick covers much of the land where these buildings
stood.

Rob Griffith

In message , rob
writes

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
...

I'm almost certain that the trolleybus depot was in Shepherd's Bush
Road, next to the old Osram Lamp Factory (now Tesco) facing Brook Green,
and backing onto more LT land (the Hammersmith & City line depot).
There's a picture at http://www.trolleybus.net/resume.htm (scroll down
to the bottom left).

Afraid it wasn't! The old trolleybus depot and adjacent buildings were
located on the east side of the District/Picc. tube station.

Ah, thanks. Presumably the front was facing north onto the Broadway
itself? Looking again at the photo I mentioned I can see that the
traffic island would be one of those that used to run down the middle of
the Broadway.

It occurs to me that what is now the Hammersmith one-way system has had
a trolleybus depot on its north side, bus garages on the south and west
sides, the old Butterwick bus station on the east side and now the new
bus station in the middle. Quite a record!

--
Paul Terry

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
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In message , rob
writes

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
...

I'm almost certain that the trolleybus depot was in Shepherd's Bush
Road, next to the old Osram Lamp Factory (now Tesco) facing Brook
Green,
and backing onto more LT land (the Hammersmith & City line depot).
There's a picture at http://www.trolleybus.net/resume.htm (scroll down
to the bottom left).

Afraid it wasn't! The old trolleybus depot and adjacent buildings were
located on the east side of the District/Picc. tube station.

Ah, thanks. Presumably the front was facing north onto the Broadway
itself? Looking again at the photo I mentioned I can see that the
traffic island would be one of those that used to run down the middle of
the Broadway.


It occurs to me that what is now the Hammersmith one-way system has had
a trolleybus depot on its north side, bus garages on the south and west
sides, the old Butterwick bus station on the east side and now the new
bus station in the middle. Quite a record!


I think you may be getting confused over roads here. The current Hammersmith
one-way system includes Hammersmith Broadway (leading to Hammersmith Rd) at
its northern side; Butter at its eastern side; Tailgate Road/Flyover at its
southern side and Queen Caroline St at its western side.
The old trolley bus depot (later BEA Coach base) was located where Butter
now is, I.e. on the eastern side. Thus it backed on to the District/Pick.
railway lines. After it was demolished, the road was widened and the old
Butter bus station was built. It too went as part of the redevelopment of
the whole area and the replacement bus station built above the new shopping
centre.

Rob Griffith

In message , rob
writes

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
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In message , rob
writes

Afraid it wasn't! The old trolleybus depot and adjacent buildings were
located on the east side of the District/Picc. tube station.

Ah, thanks. Presumably the front was facing north onto the Broadway
itself? Looking again at the photo I mentioned I can see that the
traffic island would be one of those that used to run down the middle of
the Broadway.

I think you may be getting confused over roads here.

Not so much getting confused as making a wrong assumption. I presumed
you to mean that the trolleybus depot was at A, but you are saying that
it was B:

----------------------------------------

Broadway
^
--------------- ^ -------- -------
X ^ | |
District X A | |
& Picc. X | |
Station X | |
X B |
| |
| C |

The old trolley bus depot (later BEA Coach base) was located where Butter
now is, I.e. on the eastern side. Thus it backed on to the District/Pick.
railway lines.

OK, but what I cannot understand is that before the one-way system was
constructed, the road that is now Butterwick (marked C above) is shown
on all the maps I have of the area (including the 1948 A-Z) as a narrow
dead-end alleyway called Foreman Court.

Now, the photo that I mentioned shows the garage in 1960, and that could
well be Butterwick that the trolley is turning into. But surely the
garage pre-dates the one-way system by some years, in which case how
would there have been access down Foreman Court?

Incidentally, I notice that the photo shows what appears to be a police
lamp to the right of the trolleybus garage - is that a clue or a red
herring?

--
Paul Terry

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In message , rob
writes

In message , rob
writes

Afraid it wasn't! The old trolleybus depot and adjacent buildings were
located on the east side of the District/Picc. tube station.

Ah, thanks. Presumably the front was facing north onto the Broadway
itself? Looking again at the photo I mentioned I can see that the
traffic island would be one of those that used to run down the middle
of
the Broadway.

I think you may be getting confused over roads here.

Not so much getting confused as making a wrong assumption. I presumed
you to mean that the trolleybus depot was at A, but you are saying that
it was B:

----------------------------------------

Broadway
^
--------------- ^ -------- -------
X ^ | |
District X A | |
& Picc. X | |
Station X | |
X B |
| |
| C |

The old trolley bus depot (later BEA Coach base) was located where Butter
now is, I.e. on the eastern side. Thus it backed on to the District/Pick.
railway lines.

OK, but what I cannot understand is that before the one-way system was
constructed, the road that is now Butterwick (marked C above) is shown
on all the maps I have of the area (including the 1948 A-Z) as a narrow
dead-end alleyway called Foreman Court.

Now, the photo that I mentioned shows the garage in 1960, and that could
well be Butterwick that the trolley is turning into. But surely the
garage pre-dates the one-way system by some years, in which case how
would there have been access down Foreman Court?

Incidentally, I notice that the photo shows what appears to be a police
lamp to the right of the trolleybus garage - is that a clue or a red
herring?

--
Paul Terry

Foreman Court ran between the garage and the railway. Butterwick road was
created when the garage and surrounding buildings were demolished. Prior to
that all traffic travelled around what is now the one-way Queen Caroline St
(to the west). I have re-checked and I stand slightly corrected in so far as
the garage ran roughly north/south, I.e. parallel with Foreman Court/railway
and its entrance was actually from Great Church St. I think therefore that
the trolley you mention is turning into that Street. Unable to establish if
the original Police Stn was also in that area. Hope this makes sense.

Robert Griffith

rob wrote:
"Paul Terry" wrote in
message ...

Foreman Court ran between the garage and the railway.
Butterwick road was created when the garage and surrounding
buildings were demolished. Prior to that all traffic
travelled around what is now the one-way Queen Caroline St
(to the west). I have re-checked and I stand slightly
corrected in so far as the garage ran roughly north/south,
I.e. parallel with Foreman Court/railway and its entrance
was actually from Great Church St. I think therefore that
the trolley you mention is turning into that Street. Unable
to establish if the original Police Stn was also in that
area. Hope this makes sense.

Here's an extract from a late 50s/early 60 A-Z of the area.

http://www.piccadillypilot.co.uk/hmbus/HMBdy.jpg

Incidentally, I notice that the photo shows what appears to be a police
lamp to the right of the trolleybus garage - is that a clue or a red
herring?

--
Paul Terry

I don't think that is a Police lamp - it is too high up, too small (in my
estimation of the scale) and Police lamps usually had (have) a Crown on the
top.

Marc.