"Just Visiting" wrote in message
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What colour's the sky in your world?


The sky has no colour, it's just refracted light.
Did you do science?

Nuxx Bar wrote:



So there we have it. Conclusive proof that the extremist
fundamentalist mentalist cycling freaks

And there we have it. Conclusive proof that you are trolling. If you
would like to come back when you've calmed down enough to use rational
arguments rather than abuse, then perhaps you will get some more
meaningful responses.

Ta ra,
Luke


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exile in Lancashire http://www.shrimper.org.uk

Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
"Just Visiting" wrote in message
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What colour's the sky in your world?


The sky has no colour, it's just refracted light.
Did you do science?

peers out window Ok, it's refracted blue. Happy?

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0000, "solar penguin"
wrote:

Speaking as a pedestrian who's never ridden a bike in my life, I think
TfL have made the right decision. I'm glad motorbikes aren't being
allowed in bus lanes. I just wish ordinary bikes weren't allowed in
them either.

I don't personally think cycles (small, lightweight, able to maintain
a constant but relatively slow speed) and buses (large, heavy, can
maintain a higher speed but need to stop frequently) are even slightly
compatible in traffic terms. The trouble is, where do you put the
bikes in London, where there isn't room enough for a wide cycle lane,
then the bus lane, then the car etc lane? I suspect the only real
option is to allow cycles in the bus lane as is the case.

That said, the vehicles causing the biggest disruption to bus
operations are taxis which frequently stop blocking bus lanes. I
believe this is permitted, but I strongly believe it should not be
permitted for any vehicle other than a bus to stop in a bus lane for
any reason other than mechanical breakdown, at any time.

Neil

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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 08:08:15 -0000, "solar penguin"
wrote:

Personally, I'd love to see all forms of private transport banned, and
force them to suffer the way I do!

While I imagine your situation is not a fun one to be in, it is not
sensible to restrict everyone because of one person's disability,
rather just to accommodate that person in society as best as possible
(such as by the existence of public transport, in your case).

Neil

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Neil Williams wrote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 08:08:15 -0000, "solar penguin"
wrote:

Personally, I'd love to see all forms of private transport banned,
and force them to suffer the way I do!

While I imagine your situation is not a fun one to be in, it is not
sensible to restrict everyone because of one person's disability,
rather just to accommodate that person in society as best as possible
(such as by the existence of public transport, in your case).

Or shoot the moronic little ****; not because he's disabled but because he
wants to drag the world down to his own sorry state. It's the typical "if I
can't then no one else should be allowed to" attitude that bedevils progress
in the UK.

x-no-archive:Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
"Just Visiting" wrote in message
...
What colour's the sky in your world?


The sky has no colour, it's just refracted light.
Did you do science?




No matter has colour as an intrinsic property. Colour is a perception of
the individual mind viewing the subject matter.

Did you do philosophy?

Brimstone wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 08:08:15 -0000, "solar penguin"
wrote:

Personally, I'd love to see all forms of private transport banned,
and force them to suffer the way I do!
While I imagine your situation is not a fun one to be in, it is not
sensible to restrict everyone because of one person's disability,
rather just to accommodate that person in society as best as possible
(such as by the existence of public transport, in your case).

Or shoot the moronic little ****; not because he's disabled but because he
wants to drag the world down to his own sorry state. It's the typical "if I
can't then no one else should be allowed to" attitude that bedevils progress
in the UK.

I don't know anything about the 'mlc' you refer to there, but I strongly
agree with your general point.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

Neil Williams wrote:


I don't personally think cycles (small, lightweight, able to maintain
a constant but relatively slow speed) and buses (large, heavy, can
maintain a higher speed but need to stop frequently) are even slightly
compatible in traffic terms.

Cycles and buses sharing roads are compatable. Cycles are also
compatable with cars, vans and lorries. The mistake of bus lanes is to
segregate traffic, without dealing with the problem (congestion) which
has caused them to be required in the first place.

On Feb 3, 10:26 am, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0000, "solar penguin"

wrote:
Speaking as a pedestrian who's never ridden a bike in my life, I think
TfL have made the right decision. I'm glad motorbikes aren't being
allowed in bus lanes. I just wish ordinary bikes weren't allowed in
them either.

I don't personally think cycles (small, lightweight, able to maintain
a constant but relatively slow speed) and buses (large, heavy, can
maintain a higher speed but need to stop frequently) are even slightly
compatible in traffic terms.

Indeed, and you get the insane racing tha tbus drivers attempt to do,
straining their engines to overtake a bike going at 20mph, then
pulling in 200 yards later.

It's rare for a bus to be faster than a cycle, even ignoring traffic
congestion, when they stop every 200 yards. Buses should be banned
from overtaking all vehicles.

The trouble is, where do you put the
bikes in London, where there isn't room enough for a wide cycle lane,
then the bus lane, then the car etc lane?

What's a car lane? Why aren't bikes allowed in that? I know that bus
drivers on the 94 think that cycles should be riding on the pavement,
I know that taxis and vans think that cycles are invisible, but I
rarely see any incidents between normal private cars and cycles. The
average car in London are the best behaved vehicles by a long shot.

When there are cycle lanes, they are to the left of where buses go --
leading the the dangerous bad-for-environment stop/start procedures
that buses undergo. They're also pointless, dangerous, and 90% or more
of them (at least in Hammersmith, Kensington and Westminster) are only
"advisory" anyway.

If you wanted to segregate traffic, keeping the lowest speeds to the
left, in central london, you'd need

Pavement
Bus lane
Bollards to prevent buses causing congestion to normal road users
Rich people lane (taxis)
normal traffic lane
bollards
cycle lane
motorcycle lane
central reservation

I suspect the only real
option is to allow cycles in the bus lane as is the case.

That said, the vehicles causing the biggest disruption to bus
operations are taxis which frequently stop blocking bus lanes. I
believe this is permitted, but I strongly believe it should not be
permitted for any vehicle other than a bus to stop in a bus lane for
any reason other than mechanical breakdown, at any time.

I think taxi's shouldn't be allowed in bus lanes anyway. They are used
for private transport, same as cars, but they're more expensive per
mile than a car, and therefore are used by the rich hoi-poloi.