On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:03:37 +0100 someone who may be "Tim
Southerwood" wrote this:-

Someone should be getting their balls on the line for yesterday, but it's
not the railways as far as I can see.

Largely, however there are questions for the railways about whether
a failure on this relatively small scale should have affected
services over such a wide area.


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"JNugent" wrote the following
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"JNugent" wrote:
Malfunctioning traffic lights are an everyday occurrence - and
present no problem to those with common sense.

Treat the junction as a mini roundabout if the lights are out.
Works a treat - provided everyone else does!

Absolutely.

I can't imagine every else doing it though, considering the fact it's
hard enough to get people to treat actual mini roundabouts as mini
roundabouts. I never cease to be amazed by how few people actually
observe the two mini roundabouts near my house. Even worse are the
people who shout abuse at you and make rude gestures when you pull out
in front of them, acting as if they have right of way!

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"JNugent" wrote in message ...
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There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains
BBC News Reports:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm

Well, for some reason, the BBC are treating this (as I write) as their *top
national* news story, whereas Blair's hand in the death of Dr Kelly is
relegated to "other items in the news" status.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

Your not suggesting some form of conspiracy like realising bad news on the day
of a royal funeral or bombing Iraq the day you are testifying in Zipergate?

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:19:12 +0100, "Joe Patrick"
wrote:

snip all lines
More commuters complaining:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3190055.stm
"The infrastructure is terrible - it's really quite worrying"
More funny quotes - click the link above!

Poor little darlings, send em up to Scotland for the winter and see
what they think of that.
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:59:48 +0100, "Depresion"
wrote:


"JNugent" wrote in message ...
wrote:
There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains
BBC News Reports:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm

Well, for some reason, the BBC are treating this (as I write) as their *top
national* news story, whereas Blair's hand in the death of Dr Kelly is
relegated to "other items in the news" status.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

Your not suggesting some form of conspiracy like realising bad news on the day
of a royal funeral or bombing Iraq the day you are testifying in Zipergate?

As soemone else mentioned he probably shorted out the grid whilst
changing his arze lightbulb as the light shining out of it was dulling
off badly.
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:08:39 +0100 someone who may be "Joe Patrick"
wrote this:-

I thought that the tube had emergency lights (well the signs on the 1992
stock say so!)

They are only of limited use, allowing people to see a little.

As for stations (in the central area) originally there had to be two
sources of electricity (Lots Road and Greenwich in later years) by
law. This was revised in drawing up the PFI deal and the stations
were fitted with battery powered emergency lights.


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In article , David Hansen
writes
there are questions for the railways about whether
a failure on this relatively small scale should have affected
services over such a wide area.

The report I saw said the grid fault was at Wimbledon. Is it possible
that most of the Underground's power is brought in that way - it would
plumb into the existing wiring from Lots Rd rather easily.
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The report I saw said the grid fault was at Wimbledon. Is it possible
that most of the Underground's power is brought in that way - it would
plumb into the existing wiring from Lots Rd rather easily.

I don't believe so - in fact traction current on the District's
Wimbledon branch is supplied by Railtrack, IIRC.

When plans for closing Lot's Road were drawn up it was stated that there
would be three bulk supply points on the National Grid for London
Underground, any two of which could keep the system running if there was
a failure - so I guess at least two supply points must have failed.

(The effects of the power cut seemed to be very localised - we live only
2 or 3 miles from Wimbledon and were not affected at all).

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"Paul Terry" wrote in message
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When plans for closing Lot's Road were drawn up it was stated that there
would be three bulk supply points on the National Grid for London
Underground, any two of which could keep the system running if there was
a failure - so I guess at least two supply points must have failed.

So, triple redundancy (almost) like you have on airliners.

Three separate feeders into each supply point would be ideal, or two with a
standby generator and a UPS as an alternative.
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:03:37 +0100, Tim Southerwood wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:40:15 +0100, Joe Patrick wrote:

There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News
Reports:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm

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Someone should be getting their balls on the line for yesterday, but it's
not the railways as far as I can see.

Why? You and everyone are now paying the price for the privatisation of the
electricity supply industry, as well as the railways, and everything else
that previous governments refused to invest in properly. The ESI was built
up with a tremendous amount of fat in the system, but all of that was taken
out in the quest for profit and fat dividend payouts.