On 19 Feb, 10:15, Michael Hoffman wrote:
Boltar wrote:
If it was my car I'd be off down the plant hire shop for an angle
grinder and dump the bollards in front of the councils offices along
with an invoice for the grinder hire plus any lost income from not
having a car available and lost working hours.

Oooh, an invoice, they must be shaking in their boots.


If it was backed up with the threat of no-win-no-fee legal action they
just might be.

B2003

On 19 Feb, 10:44, Adrian wrote:
It's a right reserved for those with vehicular access to their drives.
Which is signified, legally, by a drop kerb. Which must be installed by
the council.

And which particular law is the specified in then?

Cool. They'll have plenty of evidence for the criminal damage case
against you.

Willful obstruction is also a crime. It would be interesting to see it
played out in a court.

Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an obstruction.

So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it. Do you work
in a council by any chance?

B2003

Boltar (Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

It's a right reserved for those with vehicular access to their drives.
Which is signified, legally, by a drop kerb. Which must be installed by
the council.

And which particular law is the specified in then?

I'd strongly suspect it's the RTA, since you'd be looking for a specific
exception to the general rule that you ain't allowed to drive on the
pavement.

If and when the server gets out of bed, http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/
acts1988/ukpga_19880052_en_1

Cool. They'll have plenty of evidence for the criminal damage case
against you.

Willful obstruction is also a crime. It would be interesting to see it
played out in a court.

Wouldn't it just? Still, I'm sure somebody's daft enough to try it.

Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an obstruction.

So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it.

Correct.

Do you work in a council by any chance?

No.

Are you an awkward sod who thinks he's got a god-given right to park
immediately outside his front door?

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, at
04:21:12 on Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Boltar remarked:
If it was my car I'd be off down the plant hire shop for an angle
grinder and dump the bollards in front of the councils offices along
with an invoice for the grinder hire plus any lost income from not
having a car available and lost working hours.

Oooh, an invoice, they must be shaking in their boots.

If it was backed up with the threat of no-win-no-fee legal action they
just might be.

If you know of a no-win-no-fee firm who will take on a *defended* debt
action in the County Court, then I have a new client for them...
--
Roland Perry

On 19 Feb, 12:37, Adrian wrote:
Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an obstruction.
So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it.

Correct.

Do you work in a council by any chance?

No.

Are you an awkward sod who thinks he's got a god-given right to park
immediately outside his front door?

Are you the type of awkward sod who wouldn't let people park on the
road or off it on their own drives but expects them to park in the
next street? Or course too bad if the next street is full too with the
cars of people who live in it. Perhaps everyone should just sell their
cars and get the bus. Oh wait , county councils can't be arsed to fund
those anymore so outside major cities there arn't many...

B2003

On 19 Feb, 07:18, Offramp wrote:
On Feb 18, 9:15 pm, Mark W wrote:

Seems relevant.http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....html?t=669655
Though ISTR the figure round here (Cambs) is closer to £1000.

I am pretty sure that near me, on Lavender Avenue, Mitcham, the
council altered the pavement of every house to a slipway, so that cars
could be parked in peoples' front gardens rather than on the pavement.
I'm a pedestrian and I thought that was a good idea - and the pavement
does seem a lot clearer now than a year ago, although I suppose some
people have simply taken the opportunity to buy a second car.

One thing that really bugs me, especially if I'm pushing a pushchair,
is when I have to use the road because cars are using the pavements.
Where can I get those "Pavements are for people" stickers?

Does all this mean that all people have to do is ask (and pay) and
they can potentially get an entire kerb dropped so that the whole
length of the pavement can be driven over? I would have thought that
there would be a limit.

Boltar (Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an
obstruction.

So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it.

Correct.

Are you an awkward sod who thinks he's got a god-given right to park
immediately outside his front door?

Are you the type of awkward sod who wouldn't let people park on the road

If to do so would cause an obstruction, yes. Absolutely. You think that's
a bad thing?

or off it on their own drives

Who's saying that people can't park in their drives? Nobody. This isn't
about whether people can park in their drives or not - but whether they
can park in their front gardens which they'd like to call drives but
haven't actually got vehicular access to.

but expects them to park in the next street?

If that's the nearest, yes.

Or course too bad if the next street is full too with the cars of
people who live in it.

Hiho. Don't like it, don't live in a city. That simple. Or do you think
that absolutely every London resident should be free to park wherever
they like, with no controls or regard to obstruction, in the street they
live in? How's that going to work, then?

Or, perhaps, they could get vehicular access so they can park in their
driveway perfectly legally... Not difficult...

Perhaps everyone should just sell their cars and get the bus.
Oh wait , county councils can't be arsed to fund those
anymore so outside major cities there arn't many...

Perhaps you'd like to tell me Which bits of the London Borough of Harrow
and the London Borough of Brent are outside "major cities"?

On 19 Feb, 18:21, Adrian wrote:
Boltar (Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an
obstruction.
So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it.
Correct.
Are you an awkward sod who thinks he's got a god-given right to park
immediately outside his front door?
Are you the type of awkward sod who wouldn't let people park on the road

If to do so would cause an obstruction, yes. Absolutely. You think that's
a bad thing?

or off it on their own drives

Who's saying that people can't park in their drives? Nobody. This isn't
about whether people can park in their drives or not - but whether they
can park in their front gardens which they'd like to call drives but
haven't actually got vehicular access to.

but expects them to park in the next street?

If that's the nearest, yes.

Or course too bad if the next street is full too with the cars of
people who live in it.

Hiho. Don't like it, don't live in a city. That simple. Or do you think
that absolutely every London resident should be free to park wherever
they like, with no controls or regard to obstruction, in the street they
live in? How's that going to work, then?

I am wondering what legislation allows street parking anyway. I mean,
you can't store other furniture in the street that you can't fit in
your house, so parking cars seems to be a special case, which must be
well defined somewhere.

On Feb 19, 6:27 pm, MIG wrote:
On 19 Feb, 18:21, Adrian wrote:



Boltar (Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an
obstruction.
So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it.
Correct.
Are you an awkward sod who thinks he's got a god-given right to park
immediately outside his front door?
Are you the type of awkward sod who wouldn't let people park on the road

If to do so would cause an obstruction, yes. Absolutely. You think that's
a bad thing?

or off it on their own drives

Who's saying that people can't park in their drives? Nobody. This isn't
about whether people can park in their drives or not - but whether they
can park in their front gardens which they'd like to call drives but
haven't actually got vehicular access to.

but expects them to park in the next street?

If that's the nearest, yes.

Or course too bad if the next street is full too with the cars of
people who live in it.

Hiho. Don't like it, don't live in a city. That simple. Or do you think
that absolutely every London resident should be free to park wherever
they like, with no controls or regard to obstruction, in the street they
live in? How's that going to work, then?

I am wondering what legislation allows street parking anyway. I mean,
you can't store other furniture in the street that you can't fit in
your house, so parking cars seems to be a special case, which must be
well defined somewhere.

I've thought that there must be a market for "motorized sheds" that
you could just park outside your house.

Obviously there would be costs involved, at the very least, VED,
insurance and MOT. But presumably they could be electric vehicles with
very little range so probably no VED. Given that they're going to be
very low mileage there's probably the opportunity for a cheap
specialist insurance. And surely it can't cost all that much to get
them through an MOT each year given that they're hardly ever driven.

Tim.

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Mizter T writes

The article says Brent has done this in 33 locations, whilst no
figures are provided for Harrow.

It is not just local councils that are tightening up on this. Neighbours
just round the corner on the South Circular have been told by TfL that
they are not to park on their forecourts without a dropped kerb being
installed.

No threats of bollards, though - TfL are simply moving their bus shelter
in front of the property in question instead.

--
Paul Terry