On 19 Feb, 10:44, Adrian wrote:
It's a right reserved for those with vehicular access to their drives.
Which is signified, legally, by a drop kerb. Which must be installed by
the council.

And which particular law is the specified in then?

Cool. They'll have plenty of evidence for the criminal damage case
against you.

Willful obstruction is also a crime. It would be interesting to see it
played out in a court.

Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an obstruction.

So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it. Do you work
in a council by any chance?

B2003

Boltar (Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

It's a right reserved for those with vehicular access to their drives.
Which is signified, legally, by a drop kerb. Which must be installed by
the council.

And which particular law is the specified in then?

I'd strongly suspect it's the RTA, since you'd be looking for a specific
exception to the general rule that you ain't allowed to drive on the
pavement.

If and when the server gets out of bed, http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/
acts1988/ukpga_19880052_en_1

Cool. They'll have plenty of evidence for the criminal damage case
against you.

Willful obstruction is also a crime. It would be interesting to see it
played out in a court.

Wouldn't it just? Still, I'm sure somebody's daft enough to try it.

Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an obstruction.

So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it.

Correct.

Do you work in a council by any chance?

No.

Are you an awkward sod who thinks he's got a god-given right to park
immediately outside his front door?

On 19 Feb, 12:37, Adrian wrote:
Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an obstruction.
So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it.

Correct.

Do you work in a council by any chance?

No.

Are you an awkward sod who thinks he's got a god-given right to park
immediately outside his front door?

Are you the type of awkward sod who wouldn't let people park on the
road or off it on their own drives but expects them to park in the
next street? Or course too bad if the next street is full too with the
cars of people who live in it. Perhaps everyone should just sell their
cars and get the bus. Oh wait , county councils can't be arsed to fund
those anymore so outside major cities there arn't many...

B2003

Boltar (Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an
obstruction.

So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it.

Correct.

Are you an awkward sod who thinks he's got a god-given right to park
immediately outside his front door?

Are you the type of awkward sod who wouldn't let people park on the road

If to do so would cause an obstruction, yes. Absolutely. You think that's
a bad thing?

or off it on their own drives

Who's saying that people can't park in their drives? Nobody. This isn't
about whether people can park in their drives or not - but whether they
can park in their front gardens which they'd like to call drives but
haven't actually got vehicular access to.

but expects them to park in the next street?

If that's the nearest, yes.

Or course too bad if the next street is full too with the cars of
people who live in it.

Hiho. Don't like it, don't live in a city. That simple. Or do you think
that absolutely every London resident should be free to park wherever
they like, with no controls or regard to obstruction, in the street they
live in? How's that going to work, then?

Or, perhaps, they could get vehicular access so they can park in their
driveway perfectly legally... Not difficult...

Perhaps everyone should just sell their cars and get the bus.
Oh wait , county councils can't be arsed to fund those
anymore so outside major cities there arn't many...

Perhaps you'd like to tell me Which bits of the London Borough of Harrow
and the London Borough of Brent are outside "major cities"?

On 19 Feb, 18:21, Adrian wrote:
Boltar (Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an
obstruction.
So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it.
Correct.
Are you an awkward sod who thinks he's got a god-given right to park
immediately outside his front door?
Are you the type of awkward sod who wouldn't let people park on the road

If to do so would cause an obstruction, yes. Absolutely. You think that's
a bad thing?

or off it on their own drives

Who's saying that people can't park in their drives? Nobody. This isn't
about whether people can park in their drives or not - but whether they
can park in their front gardens which they'd like to call drives but
haven't actually got vehicular access to.

but expects them to park in the next street?

If that's the nearest, yes.

Or course too bad if the next street is full too with the cars of
people who live in it.

Hiho. Don't like it, don't live in a city. That simple. Or do you think
that absolutely every London resident should be free to park wherever
they like, with no controls or regard to obstruction, in the street they
live in? How's that going to work, then?

I am wondering what legislation allows street parking anyway. I mean,
you can't store other furniture in the street that you can't fit in
your house, so parking cars seems to be a special case, which must be
well defined somewhere.

On Feb 19, 6:27 pm, MIG wrote:
On 19 Feb, 18:21, Adrian wrote:



Boltar (Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an
obstruction.
So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it.
Correct.
Are you an awkward sod who thinks he's got a god-given right to park
immediately outside his front door?
Are you the type of awkward sod who wouldn't let people park on the road

If to do so would cause an obstruction, yes. Absolutely. You think that's
a bad thing?

or off it on their own drives

Who's saying that people can't park in their drives? Nobody. This isn't
about whether people can park in their drives or not - but whether they
can park in their front gardens which they'd like to call drives but
haven't actually got vehicular access to.

but expects them to park in the next street?

If that's the nearest, yes.

Or course too bad if the next street is full too with the cars of
people who live in it.

Hiho. Don't like it, don't live in a city. That simple. Or do you think
that absolutely every London resident should be free to park wherever
they like, with no controls or regard to obstruction, in the street they
live in? How's that going to work, then?

I am wondering what legislation allows street parking anyway. I mean,
you can't store other furniture in the street that you can't fit in
your house, so parking cars seems to be a special case, which must be
well defined somewhere.

I've thought that there must be a market for "motorized sheds" that
you could just park outside your house.

Obviously there would be costs involved, at the very least, VED,
insurance and MOT. But presumably they could be electric vehicles with
very little range so probably no VED. Given that they're going to be
very low mileage there's probably the opportunity for a cheap
specialist insurance. And surely it can't cost all that much to get
them through an MOT each year given that they're hardly ever driven.

Tim.

On Feb 19, 6:45 pm, "
wrote:
On Feb 19, 6:27 pm, MIG wrote:



On 19 Feb, 18:21, Adrian wrote:

Boltar (Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

Then parking in the road is illegal, as it would cause an
obstruction.
So they can't park on the road and they can't park off it.
Correct.
Are you an awkward sod who thinks he's got a god-given right to park
immediately outside his front door?
Are you the type of awkward sod who wouldn't let people park on the road

If to do so would cause an obstruction, yes. Absolutely. You think that's
a bad thing?

or off it on their own drives

Who's saying that people can't park in their drives? Nobody. This isn't
about whether people can park in their drives or not - but whether they
can park in their front gardens which they'd like to call drives but
haven't actually got vehicular access to.

but expects them to park in the next street?

If that's the nearest, yes.

Or course too bad if the next street is full too with the cars of
people who live in it.

Hiho. Don't like it, don't live in a city. That simple. Or do you think
that absolutely every London resident should be free to park wherever
they like, with no controls or regard to obstruction, in the street they
live in? How's that going to work, then?

I am wondering what legislation allows street parking anyway. I mean,
you can't store other furniture in the street that you can't fit in
your house, so parking cars seems to be a special case, which must be
well defined somewhere.

I've thought that there must be a market for "motorized sheds" that
you could just park outside your house.

Obviously there would be costs involved, at the very least, VED,
insurance and MOT. But presumably they could be electric vehicles with
very little range so probably no VED. Given that they're going to be
very low mileage there's probably the opportunity for a cheap
specialist insurance. And surely it can't cost all that much to get
them through an MOT each year given that they're hardly ever driven.

Tim.

Fantastic idea!! Extremely tall vehicules with 49cc engines! How
clever is that?!

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, wrote:

On Feb 19, 6:27 pm, MIG wrote:

I am wondering what legislation allows street parking anyway. I mean,
you can't store other furniture in the street that you can't fit in
your house, so parking cars seems to be a special case, which must be
well defined somewhere.

I've thought that there must be a market for "motorized sheds" that you
could just park outside your house.

Obviously there would be costs involved, at the very least, VED,
insurance and MOT. But presumably they could be electric vehicles with
very little range so probably no VED. Given that they're going to be
very low mileage there's probably the opportunity for a cheap specialist
insurance. And surely it can't cost all that much to get them through an
MOT each year given that they're hardly ever driven.

I see from wikipedia that:

"limited use" and agricultural vehicles are exempt from test altogether.

If that's true, if your electric shed was an agricultural electric shed
(an electric greenhouse?), you might not need the MOT. Or does that mean
agricultural vehicles which don't go on the public highway? And what's a
limited use vehicle?

Okay, here we go:

http://www.nfuonline.com/documents/B...Aug%202007.pdf

To be an agricultural vehicle, it has to fall into one of four specific
classes, and i can't see that a mobile shed would. Limited use means
(quoting):

* It is used for purposes relating to agriculture, horticulture or
forestry; and

* It is used on public roads only in passing between different areas of
land occupied by the same person; and

* The distance it travels on public roads in passing between any two such
areas does not exceed 1.5 km.

There, i think we're in. You have to have two gardens (one could be rented
from a friend), or a garden and allotment, less than a mile apart. You
then build your electric shed in order to drive between them. You keep
your gardening tools in it, so it's for horticultural purposes. Or you
build a mobile greenhouse, as i mentioned. Either way, it meets the
criteria, it's Limited Use, and you don't have to MOT or pay tax on it.

Crossposted to uk.rec.sheds.

tom

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On 19 Feb, 18:27, MIG wrote:
I am wondering what legislation allows street parking anyway. I mean,
you can't store other furniture in the street that you can't fit in

Its called road fund tax. You don't generally find funiture driving
down the road.

B2003

In message
, at
01:40:44 on Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Boltar remarked:
I am wondering what legislation allows street parking anyway. I mean,
you can't store other furniture in the street that you can't fit in

Its called road fund tax.

Not since 1936. Today it's Vehicle Excise Duty.

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