Mizter T wrote:

When the ELLX opens that might make a good candidate for the
"Crosstown Local" moniker...

Because it visits so many cross towns?

On 3 Mar, 10:42, "John Rowland"
wrote:
Mizter T wrote:

When the ELLX opens that might make a good candidate for the
"Crosstown Local" moniker...

Because it visits so many cross towns?

Ahh... very good, Mr Rowland, very good!

(In Brockley there is actually a place very near the station called
Brockley Cross, whilst in Dalston what is now known - perhaps with a
bit more historically accuracy - as Kingsland Shopping Centre was
until relatively recently Dalston Cross Shopping Centre... this is
stretching a bit thin now isn't it!)

On 3 Mar, 02:29, Mizter T wrote:
OK, my (possibly erroneous) understanding is that the "North London
Link" terminology came along when Network SouthEast (NSE) introduced
route branding - in this sense a 'route' was several individual,
albeit connected lines.

My understanding is "CrossTown LinkLine" was the name for when
passenger service on the line between Dalston and Stratford resumed,
with diesel trains running Camden Road-North Woolwich. A short while
later they electrified the whole thing and built the stations from
Dalston Kingsland to Hackney Wick, and linked it up to the service to
Richmond, which is when I'd assume the "North London Link" name came
about, hence the big sign at Hackney Central (there's an incredible BR
clock sculpture further north by the car park, btw).

When that became "North London Line" I don't know.

U

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On 3 Mar, 11:29, Mr Thant
wrote:

On 3 Mar, 02:29, Mizter T wrote:

OK, my (possibly erroneous) understanding is that the "North London
Link" terminology came along when Network SouthEast (NSE) introduced
route branding - in this sense a 'route' was several individual,
albeit connected lines.

My understanding is "CrossTown LinkLine" was the name for when
passenger service on the line between Dalston and Stratford resumed,
with diesel trains running Camden Road-North Woolwich. A short while
later they electrified the whole thing and built the stations from
Dalston Kingsland to Hackney Wick, and linked it up to the service to
Richmond, which is when I'd assume the "North London Link" name came
about, hence the big sign at Hackney Central (there's an incredible BR
clock sculpture further north by the car park, btw).

When that became "North London Line" I don't know.

U


I think the etymology of the "North London Link" name that you offer
is probably right and my hypothesis is wrong.

AIUI historically the "North London Line" was the name of the old
Broad Street to Richmond service (or at least what it was known as).

Thus, when the service was redirected from Broad Street to North
Woolwich (via Stratford), replacing the interim CrossTown LinkLine
service, perhaps the decision was taken to give it a new name rather
than just calling it the North London Line - hence the "North London
Link" name.

UIVMM the full electric Richmond - North Woolwich (via Stratford)
service started when these trains were diverted away from Broad Street
in May 1985 [1], so I'm guessing that's when the "North London Link"
name dates from - can anyone confirm this? (I also think I'm right in
saying that not all the stations on the Dalston to Stratford stretch
were open when this happened.)

If I'm right then the "North London Link" name dates from well before
the introduction by NSE of route brands such as "North London Lines" -
which does, in retrospect, make more sense, given the pedigree of some
North London Link signage that I've seen over the years (in BR black
text as opposed to NSE blue, for example).

However the renaming of the South London Line to the "South London
Link" *does* appear to date from when route brands where introduced in
1991, presumably taking its inspiration from the North London Link
name. Calling the specific Victoria - London Bridge (via Peckham Rye)
service the "South London Link" thus did help prevent confusion with
the wider "South London Lines" route brand. This renaming (or
rebranding even) of that specific service was all tied up with it
having been 'saved' and its subsequent promotion.

I can date the South London Line/Link renaming to 1991 courtesy of
this old Railwatch magazine article on the web, concerning the
campaign to save and rejuvenate it:
http://www.railwatch.org.uk/backtrack/rw73/sll.html

So my hypotheses about the link/line renaming was not something I
completely conjured up out of my imagination - there was a grain of
truth to it, but only in respect of the South London Line, not the
North London Line.

Furthermore I'm now led to wonder whether it has ever been right to
refer to the North London Line service at places like North Woolwich,
Stratford and Hackney Central - this has been the "North London Link"
right from the start! Of course common understanding is based on
common usage, so calling it the North London Line is fine, in my books
at least.


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[1] Disused Stations - Broad Street
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...et/index.shtml

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(Mr Thant) wrote:

On 3 Mar, 02:29, Mizter T wrote:
OK, my (possibly erroneous) understanding is that the "North London
Link" terminology came along when Network SouthEast (NSE) introduced
route branding - in this sense a 'route' was several individual,
albeit connected lines.

My understanding is "CrossTown LinkLine" was the name for when
passenger service on the line between Dalston and Stratford resumed,
with diesel trains running Camden Road-North Woolwich. A short while
later they electrified the whole thing and built the stations from
Dalston Kingsland to Hackney Wick, and linked it up to the service to
Richmond, which is when I'd assume the "North London Link" name came
about, hence the big sign at Hackney Central (there's an incredible BR
clock sculpture further north by the car park, btw).

When that became "North London Line" I don't know.

The line from Broad Street to Richmond had long been the "North London
Line".

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Colin Rosenstiel

John Rowland wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
When the ELLX opens that might make a good candidate for the
"Crosstown Local" moniker...

Because it visits so many cross towns?


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Was he a virgin?

IIRC he regularly went all the way ...

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