On 25 Feb, 00:32, Michael wrote:
My assumption is only that the railcard discounted Oyster tube cap
applies to the same forms of transport and routes as the equivalent
non-discounted Oyster tube cap. *No more, and more importantly no less.

Ah, but until now it's been impossible to reach a tube cap without
also exceeding the £3 bus cap. Thus we don't know whether the tube cap
by definition included bus travel, or if it was just a de facto
situation.

U

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On Feb 25, 1:08*am, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 25 Feb, 00:32, Michael wrote:

My assumption is only that the railcard discounted Oyster tube cap
applies to the same forms of transport and routes as the equivalent
non-discounted Oyster tube cap. *No more, and more importantly no less..

Ah, but until now it's been impossible to reach a tube cap without
also exceeding the £3 bus cap. Thus we don't know whether the tube cap
by definition included bus travel, or if it was just a de facto
situation.

Or put it another way, there is no non-discounted Oyster tube cap to
be equivalent to. At least, is there any non-discounted cap defined
anywhere that refers to "Underground only" and includes buses (not
that there would be any point)?

My money is on the cap being £3 if buses are used either before or
after the Underground. Or conceivably even £3 plus £2.80 if you use
enough of each mode of transport in enough zones (would still be a
discount compared with the normal caps and travelcards).

When is this going to be tested? I am too crusty for a railcard.

On 25 Feb, 08:48, MIG wrote:
When is this going to be tested? *I am too crusty for a railcard.

I have one, and as luck would have it my monthly season runs out in a
couple of days. I'm thinking the first thing to try is 4 bus journeys
(after 9.30am, just to be sure), then tube?

U

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A blog about transport projects in London

On 25 Feb, 13:33, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 25 Feb, 08:48, MIG wrote:

When is this going to be tested? *I am too crusty for a railcard.

I have one, and as luck would have it my monthly season runs out in a
couple of days. I'm thinking the first thing to try is 4 bus journeys
(after 9.30am, just to be sure), then tube?

This is becoming a real cliffhanger. I can't wait ...

Mr Thant wrote:
On 25 Feb, 08:48, MIG wrote:
When is this going to be tested? I am too crusty for a railcard.

I have one, and as luck would have it my monthly season runs out in a
couple of days. I'm thinking the first thing to try is 4 bus journeys
(after 9.30am, just to be sure), then tube?

Good ol' U Thant. Not only do you give us news but also conduct valuable
scientific experiments on our behalf. I wouldn't have the patience myself.
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Michael Hoffman

Well, I have had the theory tested and the answer is that the £2.80 cap
also applies to bus only travel. The first three buses were 90p each,
the fourth cost 10p bringing it up to the zone 2-6 cap. All subsequent
travel by tube, bus, and Overground was free.

My assumption was wrong then, and I am slightly surprised by that.

London Buses must lose out if someone only travels by bus, which is not
uncommon if you need to get around south London, as the revenue that
they used to receive from those passengers will now also be shared with
the tube, Overground, DLR, and NR companies.

Although it does fit in with the claim of the Oyster cap being 50p less
than the equivalent Travelcard. Although in this case it is more like
27p less as they applied the discount to the 50p-less fare.

But I would have though the system would have been more sophisticted
than to allow a national rail discount on bus travel, which is
effectively what happens.

Michael.

On Feb 27, 8:25*pm, Michael wrote:
Well, I have had the theory tested and the answer is that the £2.80 cap
also applies to bus only travel. *The first three buses were 90p each,
the fourth cost 10p bringing it up to the zone 2-6 cap. *All subsequent
travel by tube, bus, and Overground was free.

That's more generous than I had bet on. Thanks for the update.