The all important sentence from the National Fares Manual is this...

"In addition London Terminals fares are NOT valid if travelling beyond
St. Pancras International from the north or beyond City Thameslink
from the south."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


So can I get a priv ticket from Radlett to Farringdon, or would I need
to get out at St Pancras International, surrender the ticket, then use
the oyster for the rest of the journey?

Burkey

On 4 Mar, 00:31, wrote:
The all important sentence from the National Fares Manual is this...

"In addition London Terminals fares are NOT valid if travelling beyond
St. Pancras International from the north or beyond City Thameslink
from the south."- Hide quoted text -


So can I get a priv ticket from Radlett to Farringdon, or would I need
to get out at St Pancras International, surrender the ticket, then use
the oyster for the rest of the journey?


You can get a ticket (whether priv or normal) no problem, you just
need to specify Farringdon as your destination when you start off.

You will actually be issued with a ticket to destination "London
Thameslink" (see bottom left of page A5 of the NFM) - this is a
special group of stations that includes...

St Pancras Int'l, Farringdon, City Thameslink, London Blackfriars,
London Bridge and Elephant & Castle

....so if you have a return you can start from any of those stations
back up to Radlett.

Note that whilst fares *to* these stations are issued to "London
Thameslink", tickets purchased *from* these stations are issued with
the origin as the specific named station.

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:59:51 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

On 4 Mar, 00:31, wrote:
The all important sentence from the National Fares Manual is this...

"In addition London Terminals fares are NOT valid if travelling beyond
St. Pancras International from the north or beyond City Thameslink
from the south."- Hide quoted text -


So can I get a priv ticket from Radlett to Farringdon, or would I need
to get out at St Pancras International, surrender the ticket, then use
the oyster for the rest of the journey?


You can get a ticket (whether priv or normal) no problem, you just
need to specify Farringdon as your destination when you start off.

You will actually be issued with a ticket to destination "London
Thameslink"

Not necessarily. From St Albans I can get a ticket either to
Farringdon Und, route Not Underground, or to London Thameslink. ISTR
that the latter did not work the barrier at Farrongdon but was
accepted by the barrier staff.


--
Peter Lawrence

Not necessarily. From St Albans I can get a ticket either to
Farringdon Und, route Not Underground, or to London Thameslink. ISTR
that the latter did not work the barrier at Farrongdon but was
accepted by the barrier staff.

Out of interest, which one is cheaper?

Lew 1 wrote:

Not necessarily. From St Albans I can get a ticket either to
Farringdon Und, route Not Underground, or to London Thameslink. ISTR
that the latter did not work the barrier at Farrongdon but was
accepted by the barrier staff.

Out of interest, which one is cheaper?

Provided that the London Thameslink ticket is also route Not
Underground, they are sold at the same price. The London Thameslink
ticket even allows you to go as far south as London Bridge/Elephant &
Castle.

On Mar 4, 9:36 pm, "Peter Lawrence" wrote:

Not necessarily. From St Albans I can get a ticket either to
Farringdon Und, route Not Underground, or to London Thameslink. ISTR
that the latter did not work the barrier at Farrongdon but was
accepted by the barrier staff.

Where the hell is Farrongdon? No wonder your ticket didn't work :-)

IME there were a couple of occasions when my London Thameslink ticket
failed to work the gates, but now all is hunky dory. Whenever possible
I try to get a London Thameslink ticket because of its additional
flexibility in Central London (when compared with destination-specific
tickets that have the same route validity).

Intriguingly (is that a word?) some tickets from the north to City
Thameslink southwards are still sold as route Any Permitted but at a
premium compared to route Not Underground tickets, which are now the
'standard' option and are sold for what the former were sold for (when
adjusted for inflation) until this year.

IME there were a couple of occasions when my London Thameslink ticket
failed to work the gates, but now all is hunky dory. Whenever possible
I try to get a London Thameslink ticket because of its additional
flexibility in Central London (when compared with destination-specific
tickets that have the same route validity).

For a while, I thought that "London Thameslink" as a destination was always
rejected by the new Blackfriars gates, however since then I have found that
every ticket I try to use - be it a Travelcard or to another destination
requiring an Underground change in London - is rejected.

I am now certain that the gates there are set up to reject any ticket bought
with a Young Persons Railcard, as when I go through the manual gate, the
staff always want to see my photocard and not even on-board staff ever ask
to see that! (I keep it hidden unless requested, because I absolutely hate
the photograph on it)

Assuming I am right (and I think I am, as I have seen tickets bought at the
same machine at the same time but without the railcard discount get through
first time), is this the only gate set-up in London that requires Railcard
holders to use the manual gate?

LEWIS

Lew 1 wrote:

For a while, I thought that "London Thameslink" as a destination was always
rejected by the new Blackfriars gates, however since then I have found that
every ticket I try to use - be it a Travelcard or to another destination
requiring an Underground change in London - is rejected.

I am now certain that the gates there are set up to reject any ticket bought
with a Young Persons Railcard, as when I go through the manual gate, the
staff always want to see my photocard and not even on-board staff ever ask
to see that! (I keep it hidden unless requested, because I absolutely hate
the photograph on it)

Assuming I am right (and I think I am, as I have seen tickets bought at the
same machine at the same time but without the railcard discount get through
first time), is this the only gate set-up in London that requires Railcard
holders to use the manual gate?

That's odd. I've used London Blackfriars semi-regularly over the last 18
months (including earlier this week) and as a Y-P ticket holder I've
never had any problems with the gates.

May I ask from where you usually buy your tickets?

That's odd. I've used London Blackfriars semi-regularly over the last 18
months (including earlier this week) and as a Y-P ticket holder I've
never had any problems with the gates.

May I ask from where you usually buy your tickets?

Luton Airport Parkway.

And as of last week, I still can't get through the gates - yet other gates
let them through fine. (Including Blackfriars LUL).

Lew 1 wrote:

Luton Airport Parkway.

And as of last week, I still can't get through the gates - yet other gates
let them through fine. (Including Blackfriars LUL).

That's even more wierd - my tickets from last week were also issued
there, although they were purchased from NXEC via their website earlier
and I merely collected them from a TVM. Admittedly over the past 18
months most of my tickets have been issued in London (even though I
travel to/from LAP often, whose TVMs have only been ToD-enabled
recently) given, IMX, the covenience of buying and collecting tickets
once a week rather than having to buy one every single weekday. (And
yes, my travels are such that they are cheaper than season tickets.)

If you haven't already done so I'd suggest contacting FCC Customer
Relations, and in the meantime I'd also suggest using City Thameslink,
which is (approximately) a mere 200 yards north of London Blackfriars at
the Ludgate Hill end. Depending on your circumstances it *might* be
worth buying your tickets at another Thameslink station (e.g. Luton),
unless you've already tried that to no avail.

Finally, if FCC don't resolve the problem within a reasonable amount of
time (after you have contacted them) then contact LondonTravelWatch or
Passenger Focus.