Offramp wrote:

You could go up to Mill Hill East. After the end of the platform the
track continues about 100 metres but without live rails - just the two
running tracks.

And promptly attract the attention of the staff and the BTP. Mark
might be bending the rules a little but this would be outright unwise,
and would certainly be treated as trespass on the railway.

On 4 Mar, 22:46, MarkVarley - MVP
wrote:

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:34:46 -0000, "John Rowland"

(snip)

Not-overgrown but safe is a difficult combination. I think your best bet is
on Tramlink when there is engineering work, or on a Sunday morning, when the
trams don't start till 7am or so. Accessing the tracks off a public road at
any stop should be easy enough. The leccy is overhead, and I don't think
there is any voltage in the tracks at all. Any unexpected tram, unlike a
train, will be able to stop in a very short distance in the worst case
scenario. That's if you want it to stop...

tram locations could work fine, I just need the linier lines of the
train(like) tracks and no danger to be standing on them or walking
around them. I won't be tying her to them though the possibilities in
fee negotiation are attractive.


This almost doesn't need to be said but I'll say it anyway. The
Croydon trams do belt around on some sections of the track and can
accelerate very rapidly. I don't now the vagaries of the Tramlink
timetable but empty trams might make early morning journeys to
position themselves for the start of running. Regarding any tram track
as out of action would be unwise, as would relying on an unexpected
tram to be able to make an emergency stop. You might well attract the
attention of staff as well. Even if one was to assume that all trams
go slower near tram stops - because they are stopping! - then if you
were near a tram stop you would also be likely to be within range of a
CCTV camera.

So don't be relaxed about assuming anything. A quick scenic shot down
a trams running line is one thing, staging a more elaborate shot with
a model is something else - things might creep up on you, and they are
big, heavy and fast. I've seen someone who didn't look crossing the
road get hit by a tram in Croydon - there was a lot of blood left on
the street after he got carted away.

End of sanctimonious lecture - just be glad you asked your questions
here rather than on uk.railway!

On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 03:52:52 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote this gibberish:


On 4 Mar, 22:46, MarkVarley - MVP
wrote:

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:34:46 -0000, "John Rowland"

(snip)

Not-overgrown but safe is a difficult combination. I think your best bet is
on Tramlink when there is engineering work, or on a Sunday morning, when the
trams don't start till 7am or so. Accessing the tracks off a public road at
any stop should be easy enough. The leccy is overhead, and I don't think
there is any voltage in the tracks at all. Any unexpected tram, unlike a
train, will be able to stop in a very short distance in the worst case
scenario. That's if you want it to stop...

tram locations could work fine, I just need the linier lines of the
train(like) tracks and no danger to be standing on them or walking
around them. I won't be tying her to them though the possibilities in
fee negotiation are attractive.


This almost doesn't need to be said but I'll say it anyway. The
Croydon trams do belt around on some sections of the track and can
accelerate very rapidly. I don't now the vagaries of the Tramlink
timetable but empty trams might make early morning journeys to
position themselves for the start of running. Regarding any tram track
as out of action would be unwise, as would relying on an unexpected
tram to be able to make an emergency stop. You might well attract the
attention of staff as well. Even if one was to assume that all trams
go slower near tram stops - because they are stopping! - then if you
were near a tram stop you would also be likely to be within range of a
CCTV camera.

So don't be relaxed about assuming anything. A quick scenic shot down
a trams running line is one thing, staging a more elaborate shot with
a model is something else - things might creep up on you, and they are
big, heavy and fast. I've seen someone who didn't look crossing the
road get hit by a tram in Croydon - there was a lot of blood left on
the street after he got carted away.

End of sanctimonious lecture - just be glad you asked your questions
here rather than on uk.railway!

I'll have a spotter or two with me to guard against such things, the
sole purpose in life for a spotter is to watch for approaching
trains/cars/school-parties etc.


--
Mark.
www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk
www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk
www.TwistedArts.co.uk
www.BeautifulBondage.net

On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 03:34:54 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote this gibberish:


On 5 Mar, 09:48, "John Rowland"
wrote:

"MarkVarley - MVP" wrote:

On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 01:49:52 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote this gibberish:

Mizter T wrote:

The old entrance is boarded off. It would not be too big a deal to
scale a not very high wall to get in

What about if the woman is already bound?

then some kind of improvised catapult would be necessary ;o)

Stop bragging, big boy.

LOROL!

(Or should that exclamation actually read 'Silverlink'... no, it
doesn't quite work does it... I suspect I've thoroughly confused Mark
by now...)

Which way is up? (utterly confused by that)

--
Mark.
www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk
www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk
www.TwistedArts.co.uk
www.BeautifulBondage.net

In article ,
Mizter T wrote:

Offramp wrote:

You could go up to Mill Hill East. After the end of the platform the
track continues about 100 metres but without live rails - just the two
running tracks.

And promptly attract the attention of the staff and the BTP. Mark
might be bending the rules a little but this would be outright unwise,
and would certainly be treated as trespass on the railway.

Yes, but talking to the film unit at LuL may be productive: I've
heard that they have reasonable fees for students doing 'film school'
arty-stuff.... although they may not like the idea of anything too
pornish ('We have an image to maintain, dontchaknow').

If you get permission to use Aldwych then I bet you could get a bunch of
folk to carry the kit down for you for free.

--
Shenanigans! Shenanigans! Best of 3!
-- Flash

On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 21:37:17 +0000, Mike Bristow wrote
this gibberish:

In article ,
Mizter T wrote:

Offramp wrote:

You could go up to Mill Hill East. After the end of the platform the
track continues about 100 metres but without live rails - just the two
running tracks.

And promptly attract the attention of the staff and the BTP. Mark
might be bending the rules a little but this would be outright unwise,
and would certainly be treated as trespass on the railway.

Yes, but talking to the film unit at LuL may be productive: I've
heard that they have reasonable fees for students doing 'film school'
arty-stuff.... although they may not like the idea of anything too
pornish ('We have an image to maintain, dontchaknow').

If you get permission to use Aldwych then I bet you could get a bunch of
folk to carry the kit down for you for free.

Permissions are easy enough to get and I don't 'do' porn, though some
people can't tell the difference if nudity is involved, never short of
an audience hence I prefer quiet out-of-the-way locations.

--
Mark.
www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk
www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk
www.TwistedArts.co.uk
www.BeautifulBondage.net

Mizter T wrote:
On 4 Mar, 22:46, MarkVarley - MVP
wrote:

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:34:46 -0000, "John Rowland"

(snip)

Not-overgrown but safe is a difficult combination. I think your best bet is
on Tramlink when there is engineering work, or on a Sunday morning, when the
trams don't start till 7am or so. Accessing the tracks off a public road at
any stop should be easy enough. The leccy is overhead, and I don't think
there is any voltage in the tracks at all. Any unexpected tram, unlike a
train, will be able to stop in a very short distance in the worst case
scenario. That's if you want it to stop...
tram locations could work fine, I just need the linier lines of the
train(like) tracks and no danger to be standing on them or walking
around them. I won't be tying her to them though the possibilities in
fee negotiation are attractive.


This almost doesn't need to be said but I'll say it anyway. The
Croydon trams do belt around on some sections of the track and can
accelerate very rapidly. I don't now the vagaries of the Tramlink
timetable but empty trams might make early morning journeys to
position themselves for the start of running.

"Driver under instruction" trams are common, even at unearthly hours of
the morning when the platform displays are showing "system closed".

Regarding any tram track
as out of action would be unwise, as would relying on an unexpected
tram to be able to make an emergency stop. You might well attract the
attention of staff as well. Even if one was to assume that all trams
go slower near tram stops - because they are stopping! -

All (non terminus!) stops are request stops, and the trams do sometimes
run through stops fast at quiet times.

then if you
were near a tram stop you would also be likely to be within range of a
CCTV camera.

Definitely.

So don't be relaxed about assuming anything. A quick scenic shot down
a trams running line is one thing, staging a more elaborate shot with
a model is something else - things might creep up on you, and they are
big, heavy and fast. I've seen someone who didn't look crossing the
road get hit by a tram in Croydon - there was a lot of blood left on
the street after he got carted away.

End of sanctimonious lecture - just be glad you asked your questions
here rather than on uk.railway!

Or the Tramlink mailing list :-)
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK