On 11 Mar, 18:07, "Peter Lawrence" wrote:
No, they should be unhappy about being told to be rude to their
customers

Depends which customers - waiting for one person to board
inconveniences all the ones already on the train trying to get
somewhere. Drivers regularly waiting for every last customer is one of
the remaining bad things about bus travel.

*In any case, isn't it quicker overall *to let *passengers
board and so make the platfomr clearer for disembarkers from following
trains?

No, since the platform is likely to fill up again anyway. On a high
frequency service, getting a few more trains through is going to be
better for capacity than making sure each one picks up every last
passenger.

U

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Mr Thant wrote:
On 11 Mar, 18:07, "Peter Lawrence" wrote:
No, they should be unhappy about being told to be rude to their
customers

Depends which customers - waiting for one person to board
inconveniences all the ones already on the train trying to get
somewhere. Drivers regularly waiting for every last customer is one of
the remaining bad things about bus travel.

In any case, isn't it quicker overall to let passengers
board and so make the platfomr clearer for disembarkers from
following trains?

No, since the platform is likely to fill up again anyway. On a high
frequency service, getting a few more trains through is going to be
better for capacity than making sure each one picks up every last
passenger.


People will have to get used to mainline trains leaving pax on the platform
as well, because its the only way the planned frequencies on the likes of
Crossrail and Thameslink are going to be achieved...

Paul S

"Ian F." wrote in message
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"tim (not at home)" wrote in message
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Do you think that they know?

Certainly. They can see/hear the train coming in on the opposite platform
and know dozens of people will want to change. So they pull off just in
time to make us wait for the next one!


I have seen that happen at Finchley Road with a Metropolitan Line train. The
train was in the station and the holding light indicated that a Jubilee Line
train was approaching.

Just as the latter stopped and opened its doors, the Metropolitan Line train
closed its doors.

Aren't drivers required to hold in the station as long as the holding light
is lit?

I also wonder how many holding lights there are on LUL -- the only two that
I have seen are at the westbound platform at Mile End and the westbound
platform at Finchely Road.

Are there any others?

On 11 Mar, 20:57, wrote:
Aren't drivers required to hold in the station as long as the holding light
is lit?

I'm sure at their discretion. If it was an Aldgate train, they're
quite tightly timetabled for when they can reach the Circle Line
junction, so he'd have a good reason not to wait.

U

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"Mr Thant" wrote in message
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I'm sure at their discretion.

I visited New York a few years ago, where the underground there also uses
holding lights. The message is very clear when they are switched on: Hold
and don't move until the lights go out.

wrote:
"Ian F." wrote in message
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"tim (not at home)" wrote in message
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Do you think that they know?

Certainly. They can see/hear the train coming in on the opposite
platform and know dozens of people will want to change. So they pull
off just in time to make us wait for the next one!


I have seen that happen at Finchley Road with a Metropolitan Line
train. The train was in the station and the holding light indicated
that a Jubilee Line train was approaching.

Just as the latter stopped and opened its doors, the Metropolitan
Line train closed its doors.

Aren't drivers required to hold in the station as long as the holding
light is lit?

I also wonder how many holding lights there are on LUL -- the only
two that I have seen are at the westbound platform at Mile End and
the westbound platform at Finchely Road.

Are there any others?

I've never heard of these before. Are they just lights or do they have any
text? What colour are they?
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Richard J.
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"Richard J." wrote in message
m...
wrote:

I also wonder how many holding lights there are on LUL -- the only
two that I have seen are at the westbound platform at Mile End and
the westbound platform at Finchely Road.

Are there any others?

I've never heard of these before. Are they just lights or do they have
any text? What colour are they?
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There is a sign mounted at the end of the westbound platform at Mile End. It
lights up when a Central Line train approaches, and I believe it says Train
Approaching, or something like that. It's mounted rather high up, but has no
real colour to it.

The holding light at Finchely Road looks similar to a tripcock testing
signal, only it displays the letter J when lit. It's located almost next to
the starter and is at about eye level.

Are either of those holding lights controlled from somewhere or do they
automatically light up when a train approaches?

On 12 Mar, 00:21, wrote:

"Richard J." wrote:

wrote:

I also wonder how many holding lights there are on LUL -- the only
two that I have seen are at the westbound platform at Mile End and
the westbound platform at Finchely Road.

Are there any others?

I've never heard of these before. Are they just lights or do they have
any text? What colour are they?


There is a sign mounted at the end of the westbound platform at Mile End. It
lights up when a Central Line train approaches, and I believe it says Train
Approaching, or something like that. It's mounted rather high up, but has no
real colour to it.

The holding light at Finchley Road looks similar to a tripcock testing
signal, only it displays the letter J when lit. It's located almost next to
the starter and is at about eye level.

Are either of those holding lights controlled from somewhere or do they
automatically light up when a train approaches?


I'm pretty certain they are merely automatic indicators. At peak times
the timetabling is tight, and anyway passengers won't have very long
to wait for the next train. Keeping to the timetable is the best way
of being courteous and considerate to the greatest number of people.

On 12 Mar, 00:21, wrote:
There is a sign mounted at the end of the westbound platform at Mile End. It
lights up when a Central Line train approaches, and I believe it says Train
Approaching, or something like that. It's mounted rather high up, but has no
real colour to it.

The holding light at Finchely Road looks similar to a tripcock testing
signal, only it displays the letter J when lit. It's located almost next to
the starter and is at about eye level.

Are either of those holding lights controlled from somewhere or do they
automatically light up when a train approaches?

The District Dave thread on the topic is pretty comprehensive:
http://districtdave.proboards39.com/...d =1186751545

It gives the impression they're automatic and purely informative, and
only installed in places where the driver can't see the other train.

U

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A blog about transport projects in London

On 11 Mar, 18:47, Offramp wrote:

On Mar 11, 6:07 pm, "Peter Lawrence" wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:02:27 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

wrote:
Do drivers get pleasure from closing the doors and preventing people
from getting on?....I think the answer is yes. I reckon they time it
perfectly.

In the peaks, if it means that the train runs to time and the following ones
are not delayed, then that's the right thing to do, as it benefits most
passengers. Yes, drivers should certainly be pleased to achieve that.

No, they should be unhappy about being told to be rude to their
customers In any case, isn't it quicker overall to let passengers
board and so make the platfomr clearer for disembarkers from following
trains?

Essentially you are saying that, at very busy stations like Victoria,
every train should only leave the platform when it is full.


Indeed - at many places the platform will never be clear, the torrent
of passengers is unending.

I find it bizarre to see people who get in a massive rage just because
they've just missed a train and have to wait a couple of minutes for
the next one. Get some perspective!