On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Mr Thant wrote:

On 26 Mar, 18:53, Tom Anderson wrote:

Right. And how is Crossrail going to relieve that? By letting people on
the North Kent line from east of Abbey Wood change there? That's not
exactly a huge fraction of the Jubilee's passengers, is it? And don't they
already have the option to do Greenwich - Docklands by DLR? Not that
that's exactly a high-capacity route itself.

But if you're coming from Finchley or wherever, you can easily switch
from using the Jubilee at London Bridge to Crossrail at Moorgate. I
think the same applies to passengers coming from most places west of
Docklands.

Ah, that's a good point, i hadn't thought of that. Crossrail also
eliminates the Essex - Stratford - Docklands traffic, did anyone mention
that? Not that this is the crowded bit of the Jubilee.

Liverpool Street isn't limited by platform capacity, it's limited by
capacity through the station throat. Rebuilding that is entirely
possible, although of course not trivial. I don't know about
Paddington, i have to confess. But since all we're talking about is
lengthening trains, why do we need more platforms?

Crossrail is expected to release significant capacity at Liverpool
Street for other services, even if its own route isn't seeing a big
increase.

I'm very slightly dubious about this. Where are the trains run using this
capacity going to run to? More trains on the GE fasts? More WA trains?

And there's quite a few more trains west of Paddington planned, which
would require platforms Paddington doesn't have.

Okay, i thought it was path-for-path. There will be more actual trains
under Crossrail?

If you're going into Oxford Circus to get on the Victoria line, this isn't
going to make any difference whatsoever. The new bit being added, however
enormous, will only decongest the existing station to the extent that they
can abstract passengers away from the Central line.

Again, it depends where you're ultimately going. Yes Crossrail is
useless if your destination is actually on the Bakerloo and Victoria
(except Paddington of course), but if you're changing to some other line
than there's possibly a way to do the same journey using Crossrail.

The orientation of the lines at Oxford Circus makes this difficult,
though; east is east and northeast is northeast, etc, to a large extent.

Farringdon in particular is going to have direct trains to places you
might currently reach from Victoria or King's Cross, as Thameslink 2000
will be complete.

That's a very good point.

Plus, if you take the Bakerloo to get a train at Paddington, you might
have a single seat (or half square metre of floor) all the way home.

Is TLnK getting Victoria trains? I haven't been keeping up, i have to
confess.

tom

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