On 28 Mar, 00:06, Tom Anderson wrote:
I'm very slightly dubious about this. Where are the trains run using this
capacity going to run to? More trains on the GE fasts? More WA trains?

West Anglia:
"On the Great Eastern route, it has been assumed that a 6 tph service
would
operate in the peak period between Gidea Park and Liverpool Street. On
the
West Anglia route via Hackney Downs, an additional 6 tph are assumed
to
operate following the opening of Crossrail. "

http://billdocuments.crossrail.co.uk...%20Pattern.pdf

And the first lot of trains mean a net increase in service on the
Shenfield route.

Okay, i thought it was path-for-path. There will be more actual trains
under Crossrail?

Interesting question. I think the peak provision remains the same but
they'll be running more trains off peak. Sounds like it shouldn't be a
problem, but AIUI due to freight and the platforms at Paddington being
taken up by intercity services which are busy all day, there's not
capacity to run it at the moment.

Is TLnK getting Victoria trains? I haven't been keeping up, i have to
confess.

Not directly, but Victoria and London Bridge/Blackfriars serve a lot
of the same places.

U

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, Mr Thant wrote:

On 28 Mar, 00:06, Tom Anderson wrote:

I'm very slightly dubious about this. Where are the trains run using this
capacity going to run to? More trains on the GE fasts? More WA trains?

West Anglia:

"On the Great Eastern route, it has been assumed that a 6 tph service
would operate in the peak period between Gidea Park and Liverpool
Street. On the West Anglia route via Hackney Downs, an additional 6 tph
are assumed to operate following the opening of Crossrail. "

http://billdocuments.crossrail.co.uk...%20Pattern.pdf

Okay, lovely. Despite having used it for a year, the WA route is one i
don't have a good feeling for flows on. It certainlty looks like an
underexploited route to me. More trains, hurrah!

And the first lot of trains mean a net increase in service on the
Shenfield route.

"4.2 However, for the purposes of planning, it has been assumed that
Crossrail would release paths on both the Great Eastern and West Anglia
routes into Liverpool Street."

I'd like to hear more about this assumption, i have to say. On the West
Anglia, fine, but i'm simply skeptical about the possibility of running
more trains in total over the GE route.

Okay, i thought it was path-for-path. There will be more actual trains
under Crossrail?

Interesting question. I think the peak provision remains the same but
they'll be running more trains off peak. Sounds like it shouldn't be a
problem, but AIUI due to freight and the platforms at Paddington being
taken up by intercity services which are busy all day, there's not
capacity to run it at the moment.

And yet there is in the peaks? Freight might run mostly off-peak, but the
density of it just isn't high enough to have that effect.

I suppose in the peaks, you have some leeway for things going wrong and
running late, because the peak only lasts a few hours, and you can sort of
overspill, if that makes any sense.

Is TLnK getting Victoria trains? I haven't been keeping up, i have to
confess.

Not directly, but Victoria and London Bridge/Blackfriars serve a lot
of the same places.

Right, got it.

tom

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On 28 Mar, 15:56, Tom Anderson wrote:
I'd like to hear more about this assumption, i have to say. On the West
Anglia, fine, but i'm simply skeptical about the possibility of running
more trains in total over the GE route.

On the GE freight runs on the fast lines, so the Shenfield Metro has
dedicated track for most of its length, the only limit being at the
Liverpool Street end. Which means you could send some of the trains
somewhere else when they get to London, like say a great big tunnel,
you're onto a winner.

And yet there is in the peaks? Freight might run mostly off-peak, but the
density of it just isn't high enough to have that effect.

To be honest I'm only assuming Crossrail is going to increase the
overall number of trains because they're spending a lot of money
rebuilding big bits of the GWML further west. Need to do some more
reading.

U

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