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On 13 Apr, 18:44, "Peter Lawrence" wrote:
Which raises two points - why no yellow lines and why position a signal half-way along the platfomr? I don't see any signals. The red thing sticking out of the guy's head is a OPO CCTV camera, and the installation on the left is a bank of OPO monitors. (Shepherd's Bush has a signal half way along its controversial platform, though only in the right-hand running direction) U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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![]() "Peter Lawrence" wrote Which raises two points - why no yellow lines and why position a signal half-way along the platfomr? I don't think there is a signal. The orange thing is a CCTV camera, while the structure in the cess beside platform 1 supports the CCTV monitors. One of the problems with island platforms is that the driver is on the offside, so you need CCTV rather than mirrors to support DOO. Peter |
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:10:28 +0100, Peter Masson wrote:
I don't think there is a signal. The orange thing is a CCTV camera, while the structure in the cess beside platform 1 supports the CCTV monitors. One of the problems with island platforms is that the driver is on the offside, so you need CCTV rather than mirrors to support DOO. Or just a second 'close doors' button on the other side of the cab? |
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![]() "asdf" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:10:28 +0100, Peter Masson wrote: I don't think there is a signal. The orange thing is a CCTV camera, while the structure in the cess beside platform 1 supports the CCTV monitors. One of the problems with island platforms is that the driver is on the offside, so you need CCTV rather than mirrors to support DOO. Or just a second 'close doors' button on the other side of the cab? It's there already. |
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Jamie Thompson wrote: On 12 Apr, 13:32, Sarah Brown wrote: They do something similar with the Cambridge slows at KX, giving "Foxton" as the destination (last station before Cambridge). Which I long suspected was the case...but it only ever came up during a service disruption, when I decided to get confirmation from a member of staff before jumping aboard the only train going north for the foreseeable future. I noticed they do it on the GWML as well, with slow London-bound services advertising as terminating at Ealing Broadway instead of Paddington. Makes sense....as long as people know it's an advisory of destination and not where the train actually terminates. ![]() I believe they reveal the real destination at all the other stations it stops at. |
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Does this 24tph represents a peak only pattern or will it be the
standard service pattern for all times? Considering that the 18tph through LB incorporates the vast majority of longer distance "Southern" services from London Bridge I wonder why the Tattenham Corner and Tonbridge services, which themselves also run along the Brighton Main Line, weren't included in preference to the 4tph East Croydon/Sydenhams? Following on from that, any news on whether the Tattenham Corner trains will stay at Charing Cross or whether the BML Tonbridge trains out of London Bridge will switch to Southern? On 11 Apr, 10:22, Mwmbwls wrote: http://www.transportbriefing.co.uk/story.php?id=4878 quote Network Rail plans for 32 Thameslink trains an hour Filed 09/04/08 Up to 32 trains an hour will run between London and the south coast along Thameslink routes by 2015, according to information contained within Network Rail's newly published South London Route Utilisation Strategy. The RUS shows what timetable enhancements passengers can expect to see from implementation of the £5.5bn Thameslink Programme, signed off by the government last summer (Transport Briefing 24/07/07). It promises new through-London services from towns including Maidstone, Tunbridge Wells, East Grinstead and Horsham. However other places that were expected to gain Thameslink services under the Thameslink 2000 plans worked up by Network Rail's predecessor Railtrack, such as Dartford, Eastbourne, Littlehampton, Ashford and Guildford, will not be included on the new network. In order to reduce train crossovers, the current Wimbledon loop services will no longer run through London, instead terminating at Blackfriars. Key Output 2 - the fully upgraded Thameslink network due to be delivered in 2015 - will provide 18 peak time trains an hour through London Bridge - four per hour through London to Brighton (two of which will have limited stops), two trains per hour to East Grinstead, four to Tonbridge with two going on to Tunbridge Wells, four to Gatwick Airport with two going on to Horsham, and four stoppers running to Sydenham and East Croydon. An additional six trains will run through London via Elephant and Castle with four heading to Orpington/ Sevenoaks and two running to Maidstone. A further eight trains will start and terminate at Blackfriars, providing four services along the Wimbledon loop plus two running to and from Herne Hill and two heading to Rochester in Kent. The current proposals will deliver at least two peak trains per hour on each Thameslink route but 10 of the routes merge, providing four trains per hour for most stations. Two unpaired two-train-per-hour routes are required to allow 6tph via Elephant & Castle and 18 via London Bridge. The figure 18 has been arrived at to take full advantage of the London Bridge/Borough Market Viaduct upgrade while addressing bottlenecks at Herne Hill and on the Catford loop which will not be resolved by the Thameslink project. It is understood that timetable planners have omitted Eastbourne and Littlehampton from the enlarged Thameslink network because it was not feasible to run two trains per hour from these destinations. Services via Greenwich will in future terminate at Cannon Street rather than Charing Cross so that there is no need for them to cross over the Thameslink tracks. South Eastern suburban routes are deemed better suited to 20 minute service patterns than the usual 15 or 30 minute service patterns, explaining why Dartford - which is already served by Charing Cross, Cannon Street and Victoria trains, is no longer included on the planned Thameslink network. One knock-on effect of the Thameslink Programme will be a reduction in the number of peak trains serving the Cannon Street terminus from 25 to 20 trains per hour. On delivery of Key Output 2 Cannon Street trains will maintain their current three platforms at London Bridge (two in the peak direction, one in the off-peak) but changes to track at London Bridge will mean that it will no longer be possible to bring in additional rolling stock from the Grove Park sidings via Blackfriars. As a result, Tunbridge Wells and Paddock Wood trains that currently terminate at Cannon Street will be converted to cross-London Thameslink routes. North of the capital current plans envisage 16 of the through London services continuing up the Midland Main Line (as used by current Thameslink trains run by First Capital Connect) while eight would serve the East Coast Main Line routes using the new connection built at St Pancras. Previous proposals specified 14 MML trains with 10 ECML services. Given that the South London RUS focuses on service provision south of the capital details of Thameslink calling patterns north of London are not yet clear. Meanwhile, Network Rail has acknowledged that delivery of Key Output 0 of the Thameslink Programme has slipped from December 2008 to March 2009. This percursor to main works will effectively join South Eastern and First Capital Connect's timetables through Blackfriars and the central London tunnels so that the Blackfriars bay platforms can be closed to allow work on the station upgrade to commence. It will also include the closure of the Moorgate branch line. Key Ouput 1, due to be delivered in 2011, will add Rochester, Maidstone East, Sevenoaks, Orpington and extra stopping services to Three Bridges to current Thameslink destinations. Unquote With the transfer of the Thameslink Sutton Loop services to other south eastern destinations - and their termination at Blackfriars will these service continue to be part of the Thameslink franchise or would they be better integrated into a southern franchise or even possibly LOROL. Would a connection to the ELL be of advantage? |
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Sarah Brown wrote:
In article , Abigail Brady wrote: On Apr 12, 12:00 am, Dave Nesbitt wrote: One delightful idiosyncrasy is that to get to Sutton direct from Blackfriars you take a train indicated to Wimbledon, and vice versa. This is one of these cases where the departure boards at Blackfriars should probably lie about the destination, by giving 'St Helier via Sutton' and 'Morden South via Wimbledon' (or whatever pair of stations works out to be the best advice) as the destinations. They do something similar with the Cambridge slows at KX, giving "Foxton" as the destination (last station before Cambridge). Rather irritatingly, this is not done consistently. I have been at Kings Cross where a stopper has been advertised as Cambridge, when an Ely train overtakes it (about a month ago). I don't know how they determine which trains to advertise as Foxton and which as Cambridge. Robin |
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On Apr 14, 4:01*pm, "R.C. Payne" wrote:
Sarah Brown wrote: In article , Abigail Brady wrote: On Apr 12, 12:00 am, Dave Nesbitt wrote: One delightful idiosyncrasy is that to get to Sutton direct from Blackfriars you take a train indicated to Wimbledon, and vice versa. This is one of these cases where the departure boards at Blackfriars should probably lie about the destination, by giving 'St Helier via Sutton' and 'Morden South via Wimbledon' (or whatever pair of stations works out to be the best advice) as the destinations. They do something similar with the Cambridge slows at KX, giving "Foxton" as the destination (last station before Cambridge). Rather irritatingly, this is not done consistently. *I have been at Kings Cross where a stopper has been advertised as Cambridge, when an Ely train overtakes it (about a month ago). *I don't know how they determine which trains to advertise as Foxton and which as Cambridge. This is nothing to the situation at London Bridge where, in the subway from which you have to select a platform, second and third trains are advertised simply as "Dartford" plus how many minutes they are expected in (but not the scheduled departure time). Given that there are five routes to Dartford covering thirty stations, and that anyone wanting Dartford itself is usually better off getting a train that goes beyond Dartford, this must be about the most useless information ever. |
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